Keyboards with the smoothest tactile switches besides topre

[ماء]

I ask same But tactile
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/key ... lit=linear

My keyboard now everything is linear, but it's so boring to me
I've never tried tactile unless RD cheap well now I want to back to tactile

If Linear is Hall effect
and Clicky is Buckling Spring
Tactile is? besides topre or indeed Topre

Your answers will determine

[Muirium]

Clicky switches are tactile too. People say "tactile" as shorthand for "tactile without a click".

Buckling spring is very clicky but only lightly tactile. It's almost linear, compared to Cherry MX blue. Which means it is a smooth tactile switch. But a loud one!

The more tactile you get, the less smooth you must become. So MX browns aren't smooth, and clears are even rougher.

Topre is very likely the answer to your question: a nice tactile curve instead of just a bump. But still not as smooth as linear switches, by definition.

[ماء]

Thanks answer

So finally topre,i want mechanical switch for modded,how to about alps tactile than cherry
Whether rubber dome better in tactile than mechanical switches?

[Findecanor]

There are many rubber dome switches that are quite smooth because there are no plastic sliders grinding against metal. (most scissor switches, Key Tronic)
There are also some rubber dome keyboards that are quite frictiony and bind on off-centre key presses because the bad shape of the slider (I'm talking about you, Microsoft!)

[davkol]

derp

[ماء]

I idea, i want blues for modded
make blues more tactile if without clicky,glue white steam (maker clicky) with blue steam
Now blues be more tactile without clicky

[Findecanor]

#ErgoClears

Hardly. Ergo Clears are the scratchiest of all Cherry MX switches. Unless you lube them, of course.

[davkol]

derp

[daedalus]

Beam Springs. Admittedly, this is due to the fact that the top part of the travel is effectively a linear switch, followed by a very clean tactile point.

[Findecanor]

Why would I even mod them in the first place if I didn't plan to lube them?

Because of the lack of availability of a good lube. I lubed my Cherry Clears with RO-59, and I still think that they are not smooth enough, so I am looking for something with more viscosity. It is not like a small vial of Krytox 205 is available in my local computer store.

[bhtooefr]

Buckling spring is very clicky but only lightly tactile. It's almost linear, compared to Cherry MX blue. Which means it is a smooth tactile switch. But a loud one!

What.

Buckling spring has a relatively gentle ramp up in force until the tactile point, but it is highly tactile (getting over the tactile point causes a SIGNIFICANT drop in force), while still being smooth.

MX Blue has a hard ramp up to the tactile point, yes, along with a corresponding steep ramp down. It feels a lot less smooth because of that. It also doesn't feel smooth because Cherry switches suck, and are gritty.

Topre is very likely the answer to your question: a nice tactile curve instead of just a bump. But still not as smooth as linear switches, by definition.

It also depends on what your definition of smoothness is. If you want something with tactility that ramps smoothly up and down, you want Topre. If you want something that slides smoothly (as in not gritty), that's another question, that Model F buckling spring and beam spring can both answer, and I've got some quite smooth (but lots of tactility right up front, that goes away quickly) taxi yellow Alps in an Apple //c keyboard.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Buckling spring has a relatively gentle ramp up in force until the tactile point, but it is highly tactile (getting over the tactile point causes a SIGNIFICANT drop in force), while still being smooth.

Capacitive or membrane? Membrane isn't. If I press down on a key with fairly gentle force on a number of switches, membrane BS is the one where I can visibly see my finger drop the least.

I view membrane BS a lot like Cherry MX brown — it's not highly tactile, but it has sufficient tactility to stop it feeling like a linear switch. However, membrane BS has such a long, heavy pretravel that you get something of a mushy linear feel from how far you have to press the keys anyway (at the point of actuation, the key barely has anywhere left to go).

It's a great heavy-handed switch that's a lot of fun to type on (and much more comfortable than the genuinely tactile white Alps, even when the Alps switches are on a plastic plate), but it's not terribly tactile.

[Muirium]

Yes, I come at it from the same direction as Daniel: all that travel on the way down to the activation point is what dominates buckling spring's feel for me. It feels linear-style smooth until TWANG. Sure, you don't just bottom right out like on a true linear, but all the tactile action is kept until right at the end of the story!

I have just the two buckling spring keyboards. One F, one M. The XT feels substantially better than my 122 key terminal M. Its weight and sturdiness really helps. The Model F has much less use on the clock, despite being 5 years older. The M's springs twang at different pitches like a honky-tonk piano! So likely not a fair comparison. But for what it's worth: the switches themselves feel fundamentally alike. I prefer the F (even with its ringing, which I don't mind at all) but the motion is essentially the same. Smooth increasing pressure until a nice sharp click, where you're done. Simple timeless greatness.

Wonder where one would find a truly linear switch with the same curve as a buckling spring before activation? I wouldn't mind a quiet alternative, with substantially higher activation point if possible. At least to try.

[bhtooefr]

You could probably simulate it with a progressive-rate spring. (Basically, the coil has fewer windings at the top, and more at the bottom. This means that it acts like multiple, progressively stiffer springs stacked upon one another, as far as the spring rate goes, and therefore the force required to press the spring.)

[Muirium]

Cool. Hadn't heard of progressive rate springs before. They could have just the force curve to to the trick.

[webwit]

[Muirium]

That spring's ain't for buckling. So how does it feel, Webwit?

[Daniel Beardsmore]

It would be interesting just to see the winding machine for those Oki springs ...

[Findecanor]

I am not sure that the OKI springs were designed to be progressive, but instead consist of two main sections. The weird mechanism is that the keycap presses against the middle of the spring, so that it stretches the top part of the spring as you press the key. The lower part is compressed against the membrane at actuation.
If I got it right, the spring in the picture from the tactile variation of the switch, where another kink on the spring rubs against a protrusion inside the shaft.

[Muirium]

You're blinding me with Spring Science!

(Carry on.)

[Hypersphere]

Tried a friend's Matias Mini Tactile Pro yesterday for the first time. Very pronounced click with tactile feedback, yet quite smooth. I would like to see how this compares to the Matias Mini Quiet Pro. I had not expected that I would like Matias Alps-inspired switches, but I do.

[Burz]

I've been using my mini Quiet Pro for a week now so I can say the switches have smooth travel; probably the smoothest I've used in a long time.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

I wouldn't rate Matias quiet switches as the smoothest, but they're perfectly weighted. Not heavy like Alps, not light like Cherry MX brown. The weight is absolutely spot on.