deskthority

With "DT" or "Deskthority" on its own without any capsense.

Redmaus wrote: With "DT" or "Deskthority" on its own without any capsense.

DT really can't live on it's own that way... Not enough there, and just looks off. This is the full logo. This is really vague though to me as to what we have provided. I think we really need to call out the purpose of the improvement Previous Images

Here's the bit though... And what I was originally eluding to. I want to give this process we are doing of refactoring these model M's a coined term. I would like one badge to represent what we are doing, not the individual form factors of it (FSSK, FEXT, etc.). In 1+ years after this is golden, I am going to beg i$ to come out of retirement and help me "whatever this is" to my M15 as well, and don't want to have to build a FM15 badge (IBM is IBM regardless of the board... this should be the same at "product line" level).

I hate the term "can't see the forest for the trees", but it is setting in here I think. Put on your marketing caps and call this process something (assuming it is sexy, and goes on a badge). So far... "Capsense" is in the lead, but it needs to be hardened with another word (too vague I think). Maybe it is just turning "Capsense" into a past tense verb "Capsensed" (short for "Capsense Upgraded"). We want someone to be able to quickly (one/two words), say in a forum that they did "whatever this is" to their board... noting that it now fucking rocks, and they can proudly adorn their new badge to let the world know.

I like working out the alignment, font, spacing, etc.... it needs to be done at some point for sure. But I am begging for the phrase from the sardonic ilk amongst us. You will receive my praise (worth nothing)

I think you are looking for "Model F".

The reason is simple; all IBM buckling spring over membrane are labeled "Model M" - M for membrane. All IBM buckling spring over capacitive PCB are known as "Model F" - F for Farad (unit of capacitance measurement). The designation was added to the label after the introduction of the Model M to differentiate the capacitve keyboard from the membrane keyboard.

The moment that you replace the membrane, pivot plates, and controller - it stops being a Model M and is now a Model F.

Got a source for that Model Farad claim? It makes sense, but it's the first I've ever heard it as the F origin story. And it makes me wonder why they didn't call its successor Model O for Ohm!

Then Model F should have been called "Model C" for capacitve or "Model BC" for buckling over capacitve. Both sound shit. Although you may be right wcass but you better back up your claim.

Actually "Model BC" is Beamspring over capacitve!

wcass wrote: I think you are looking for "Model F".

I agree, with the exception of shell, this is an F-replica. The only downside to the "Model F" by itself is the term is widely used already to describe the M's parents (even if seldomly labeled that way on casing).

Since this is a hybrid, is the world ready for the "Model MF", or "Model M/F"? It is certainly easy to say, stands on it's own with no confusion, avoids any IBM issues because it doesn't yet exist, and is technically accurate (a bad motherfucker).

Ideas?

• Model MF
• Model M/F
• Capsense MF
• Capsense M/F
• Capsensed MF
• etc...

EDIT: We just have the opportunity to tell people what to call this. We should take advantage

I'm happy with Model MF.

or Model mF

there are many possibilities..

Muirium wrote: I'm happy with Model MF.

Helvetica non-italic with offset from M's center. Somewhere along the way, the oval became dithered on the edges (will clean up later). Zip file with psd, tiff, and xcf attached if we think it could use a tweak

Phenix wrote: or Model mF

there are many possibilities..

I actually like this, the lower/upper cases sort of gives a sense of hierarchy.

Ugh, I really don't like "Model MF"...

My favorite is still Compgeke's first one, but I also really like the one with the Deskthority logo.

Muirium wrote: Got a source for that Model Farad claim? It makes sense, but it's the first I've ever heard it as the F origin story. And it makes me wonder why they didn't call its successor Model O for Ohm!

Ohm is a unit of resistance, but the Model M works by conductivity, so O makes no sense at all xD .

I call BS on the F story though :p . That sounds like a coincidence to me :p .

I think I read somewhere that F stood for something like "Flat", or in any case that it somehow refered to the new models being more compact than the beam spring boards that came before them.

The one I heard was that F stood for "Fly Plate", which was IBM's term for the conductive flippers that Model F introduced repurposed from Beamspring. But I'm not believing any of these folk etymologies until I see IBM proof!


@Lizard: That, sir, is a delight! Long live the Model MF!

ramnes wrote: My favorite is still Compgeke's first one, but I also really like the one with the Deskthority logo.

In the end, these badges are basically free. We could certainly have more than one option (within reason) when we final pull the trigger on packaging this stuff up. The "product line" still needs a name though. Currently "Model MF" (until someone dreams up something better), with individual "products" of FSSK, FEXT, etc (those aren't changing)

Muirium wrote: The one I heard was that F stood for "Fly Plate", which was IBM's term for the conductive flippers that Model F introduced repurposed from Beamspring. But I'm not believing any of these folk etymologies until I see IBM proof!


@Lizard: That, sir, is a delight! Long live the Model MF!

Model Motherfucker? :p

Correct! All hail the MF!!

Besides being an immensely catchy name, it's also very appropriate. We're taking the best of M and the best of F. Together, they make one hell of a Mofo.

Sound logic there. I prefer the "M/F" rendering, both visually and semantically.

alh84001 wrote: Sound logic there. I prefer the "M/F" rendering, both visually and semantically.

I think both look nice on the badge. In the end, I think we will be typing MF when we discuss it to save a stroke though. And again... FSSK/FEXT will always be the individual models (no one is advocating ever changing that). This MF(M/F) would be a way to refer to the everything in general that i$ kicked off without having to call out a compact or full-size version (but, we want to be cognisant and respectful of his work). I'm just envisioning as this really gathers momentum, it will be the FEXT that is actually the most consumed since there are exponentially more 101-keys in circulation (we still need a case to flop this assembly into). Then we murky the waters on searches and the like with FSSK/FEXT queries and comments. Wouldn't be shocked to see people call the FEXT the "FSSK Full Size" down the road, and we want to head that off.


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lot_lizard wrote: FSSK/FEXT will always be the individual models (no one is advocating ever changing that).

Actually, I am. I really, truly do like green eggs and ham, uh, I mean the For Fuck's Sake Keyboard, or whatever it's called again. All those initials make me queasy.



But I respect iDollar's work. So long as I can have my SSK sized Model MF without FFSK branding anywhere, I'll be happy. The µ edition, as it were…

lot_lizard wrote: Wouldn't be shocked to see people call the FEXT the "FSSK Full Size" down the road, and we want to head that off.

Indeed. Names matter, they really do. Model MF forever! I'd call them Model MF84 for the SSK drop-in, MF86 for the winkeyed SSK, etc. if needs be. The case logo badge can remain the same across all of them.

Mu, I think it's already too late. Many posts have been written and the people involved already know one name which any other will understand - FSSK. Try to not look at the letters, and conceptually think what it is - an F SSK. Some alternative spelling could help. I personally don't mind the name, although keeping with the "M/F" theme, I will probably refer to it as SSK/F when no one is around .

While on the subject of "/" I think it pays hommage to IBM as well, since they used it at one point in their naming, although in a somewhat different manner - OS/2, PS/2, RS/6000. MF/84, MF/86 start making sense then as well.

Yeah, it's a petty thing on my part, and I'll keep on soldiering on, even if it's only board that doesn't have FFSK on it. Because that's just how a prickly Scotsman rolls!

The slash looks better between the MF and the model (key) number to me, just like you said. Model MF/84 classic SSK upgrade set. Model MF/101 industrial fullsize, etc.

Would F/SSK and F/EXT be better?

I'm fine with i$'s original names, and IMO we should stay with those. I'm against renaming them to "Model M/F" or "Model MF" after the fact.

You know my opinion. F/SSK is an improvement on FFSK but not by much. Still just stirring the alphabet soup.

I kind of like the Model MF, and I don't see why FSSK and Model MF would be mutually exclusive. The FSSK and FEXT would be IBM Model Mofos.

Yes, I completely agree. I view FSSK as name of a specific model (PCB only even?), and Model M/F as the family name.

Although I'm not clear what exactly M/F represents. Does taking a case and regular ANSI layout (which M pioneered, but is no way exclusive to it any more) from M warrant that designation? I'm taking my own (near-future) build as a baseline, in which I take plate and barrel frame from M, springs and flippers from F and the F-based capsense PCB, and stick all that into an M case. That is a true M/F build for me, any other combinations are just lowly wannabes

And it's not just semantics. M/F with F-like custom-cut metal top plate will have a different feel from the M plastic barrel frame, will it not?

Khers wrote: I kind of like the Model MF, and I don't see why FSSK and Model MF would be mutually exclusive. The FSSK and FEXT would be IBM Model Mofos.

Okay, don't know about y'all muthas, but I want *this* badge for my Model MF upgraded SSK: Literally just like that. It is sheer perfection! Whatever the name winds up being in the end, I want this badge on mine.

I vote for the motherfucker badge, that's the one we've been waiting for.

+one vote for motherfucker.