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IBM 1387033
Posted: 25 May 2016, 22:47
by elecplus
I read online that the "unsaver" does not have a delete key. Is this true?
If so, then do you really have to go past the mistake and backspace?
How can you do Ctrl+Alt+Del without a Del key?
Posted: 25 May 2016, 22:52
by scottc
Isn't that a delete key in the usual spot? That <- legend, I think, was used for delete way back in early IBM terminal systems.
Seeing this just reminds me of how much I want one of these! Such a gorgeous keyboard.
Posted: 25 May 2016, 22:54
by hammelgammler
Yeah I think so too. Would be unusual if there's not delete mapped to the key.
I can totally agree though, Unsaver is my favorite board of all time, but sadly I don't have one.
Posted: 25 May 2016, 22:58
by jeb
I think the key in the delete spot is actually back tab (accessed these days with shift+tab). The key in the lower right of that block may be delete, though? I'm not sure what those symbols mean.
Posted: 25 May 2016, 22:59
by elecplus
I just found a rather poorly done video of one on mashpedia, and yes, it is there. Wonder why the other fellow said there isn't one?
Posted: 25 May 2016, 23:02
by tentator
lol would be funny even if windows still did not exist back then when they created that keyboard!
)))
Posted: 26 May 2016, 08:37
by Halvar
Yes, the key with the striked out a is Delete, the key next to it is Insert. Ctrl-Alt-Del will still be hard to do as there is no Ctrl...
Terminals were different beasts...
The symbols for Insert and Delete are derived from proofreading symbols like these:
http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/writing/symbols.htm
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:27
by daedalus
A with Hat = Insert
A with squiggly line = Delete
One simply does not Ctrl-Alt-Delete a mainframe
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:32
by Muirium
Heaven forfend that DOS nonsense!
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:36
by andrewjoy
All hail the mighty DOS, its a shame IBM whet with dos when they could have gone with CP/M (or is is CP\M i forget now).
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:40
by Muirium
Ach! Microsoft really got its tentacles deep in your mind if you can so easily mistake \ for that.
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:52
by andrewjoy
Muirium wrote: Ach! Microsoft really got its tentacles deep in your mind if you can so easily mistake \ for that.
Hey i use UNIX all day In work !
Apple UNIX , guaranteed to have at least 25% more untested crap that does not work than your leading competitor.
Apple: ignoring power users on OSX since 29th June 2007
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:55
by Muirium
Whatever. Only Microsoft went with backslash for directory separators just to spite the world. The web went the UNIX way, the right way, because Tim Berners-Lee was using NeXT, not DOS or Windows.
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:58
by andrewjoy
Muirium wrote: Whatever. Only Microsoft went with backslash for directory separators just to spite the world. The web went the UNIX way, the right way, because Tim Berners-Lee was using NeXT, not DOS or Windows.
i wonder if MS used \ or / in Xenix
Posted: 26 May 2016, 17:59
by seebart
Oh boy, this thread just turned into an OS war.
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Posted: 26 May 2016, 18:00
by Muirium
Not an OS war. But a very specific skirmish about / and \ !
Posted: 26 May 2016, 18:02
by andrewjoy
\ is on a nice big key in the ANSI layout , easy to get to see. / does make more sense however.
I vote we need a quota on the web, 50% / and 50% \ , its only fair right?
Posted: 26 May 2016, 18:04
by Wodan
My favourite part about this is having to replace \ with / when using windows paths in Java coding ...
Rich source of stupid errors ...
Posted: 26 May 2016, 18:07
by seebart
Even worse, \°°/.
Posted: 27 May 2016, 00:23
by alh84001
Some nice info on the rationale behind path separator in Win and DOS -
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/larryo ... character/
@Wodan just don't tell me there are String constants in code
That's what File.separator is for.
Posted: 02 Jun 2016, 16:39
by y11971alex
daedalus wrote: A with Hat = Insert
A with squiggly line = Delete
One simply does not Ctrl-Alt-Delete a mainframe
But you can Big Red Switch it.
Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 18:58
by elecplus
Finding these things is like pulling hen's teeth! There might be hope yet. Should know by Monday.
Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 19:02
by seebart
elecplus wrote: Finding these things is like pulling hen's teeth! There might be hope yet. Should know by Monday.
If anyone but you said that I would not give one cent. Again, and again and again:
thank you for your efforts Cindy!
Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 19:22
by hammelgammler
elecplus wrote: Finding these things is like pulling hen's teeth! There might be hope yet. Should know by Monday.
Yeah if anyone can find an Unsaver with a reasonable propability then it's Cindy. I remember that huge stack of SSK months ago.
Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 19:33
by Muirium
The NIB SSK haul? That was 2014 as I recall. (Had to wait until early last year to get my hands on mine, via luggage.) Time flies, like SSKs do!
Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 19:35
by elecplus
Yes, it was 2014
Hard to believe I closed the warehouse a year ago.
I am trying real hard to make this the year of the unsavers, 4704s, and beamsprings.
I will keep trying
Posted: 04 Jun 2016, 08:03
by Britney Spears
Wodan wrote: My favourite part about this is having to replace \ with / when using windows paths in Java coding ...
Rich source of stupid errors ...
Is there a good reason not to use the built-in
abstraction for this problem?
I'm not a Java developer but is use
it in Node.js all the time.
Edit: I see that alh84001 has already posted this. Damn!