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Muirium wrote:Well, it's better than SUPR. And shrinking them all for the benefit of a single legend in 1u is quite a sacrifice I think.

Indeed, I agree. I like them all like that, fully written out, even if it does mean that some are on two lines.

I don't think that there's a capital FT ligature in any font. Maybe for "ft", but "FT"? . I'm sure that the font's kerning will do. Actually IMO it's fine on the current mockups.

Can be easily made:

SHIF\hspace{-0.2ex}T or whatever is necessary.

This reminds me: I've got to tell Melissa to make them this way ...

Go on, cram 'em in there nice and tight!

there's little I can do about "SUPER".

Re SHIFT... actually the T is already a tad closer (let me check)

Definitely don’t smush a capital FT together. That would be terrible.

In general, I’d recommend trusting kerning tables made by Tobias Frere-Jones & al. (which isn’t to say there aren’t places that kerning could be improved on specific words used in a context like keycaps... but be careful about it).

Indeed. I was kidding about 7bit's algorithmic approach. But it is worth a little look, just for curiosity's sake.

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I will slightly reduce the thickness of all symbols (except tab/return and few others)

Oh so nice! After round4 and DSA retro I thought I would never need more caps, but now...
Also, a late stage request: 1.75u FN key (text and/or symbol). How about it?

Kurk wrote:Oh so nice! After round4 and DSA retro I thought I would never need more caps, but now...
Also, a late stage request: 1.75u FN key (text and/or symbol). How about it?

actually that's really a nice idea... shame on me I didn't think about it. I can't add it at this stage to the mods, but we have the lost+found that can be tweaked, removing the chevron control for example

Good morning to you too, Matt…

1.75 Fn is a great idea though. I've gotten so used to using Caps Lock as a layer key I forget that's not what those words mean!

actually... the 1.75u "enter" is really a niche key, I could better place that in the lost+found and replace it with FN (caps lock FN is simply genius)

Colemak likes a 1.75u BACKSPACE.



I'm trying to learn it. Seems a good position, opposite RETURN.

you really want those ^ controls to fly away

Nah. But there are a few good things to do with 1.75u too.

thanks god there are blanks

bad news.

we can't dye sub on the sides of the key. So side legends would be pad printed (and I don't know if we can pad print in gotham). Suggestions?

Drop the side legends.

Or is there popular demand for them? Even if compromised?

you mean to remove all the third legends? or to place them bottom right instead?

matt3o wrote:bad news.

we can't dye sub on the sides of the key. So side legends would be pad printed (and I don't know if we can pad print in gotham). Suggestions?

I think I missed that -- where did we have side legends planned? I thought tertiary legends were planned to be in the lower right corner in blue?

Yeah, I'm confused about the plan for those too. It's been a while since we've seen the international mockups.

Darn, fonts could be limited on front pad printing? Does that mean SP couldn't do Westminster on the front of dirge orange SA?

Argh!

PBT sides can be pad printed but not sublimated. If I understand pad printing, you can actually pad print whatever you want but you need a stamp with your graphics. Making a stamp is probably cheaper than making the mold for a double-shot, but we have dozens of those side legends, so I'm going to simply put them on bottom-right.

So, like on the imgur images, including the blue color? I think we can live with that

Well, since you seldom press the side of the key, I'd say pad printing does not suffer from the usual problems (different feel and wear over time). I'd rather have pad printed than bottom right, since it would mess with the overall centered look. The alternative would be to have the first legend top left aligned but that would throw all the work away you did so far, collide with the mono legend look and change the whole look of the set.

holy international fucking legends

Looks great.

Yeah, nice!

matt3o wrote:PBT sides can be pad printed but not sublimated. If I understand pad printing, you can actually pad print whatever you want but you need a stamp with your graphics. Making a stamp is probably cheaper than making the mold for a double-shot, but we have dozens of those side legends, so I'm going to simply put them on bottom-right.

Ah I see, thanks matt3o!

Those international legends do look really good. I can feel myself getting sucked in...