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Apple II keyboards
Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 19:46
by snuci
Posted: 29 Nov 2015, 23:36
by bhtooefr
It's also worth noting that MX caps work on at least the later keyboard. (Wendell Sander recently had keycaps and encoders made to use the later keyboard on an Apple-1 or clone.)
Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 13:13
by terrycherry
I can't see about the Apple II early keyboard very clearly. What is name of the switch?
And I don't know the Apple II Plus having Alps SKCC Tall Cream. Is it also has the latching lock?
If I guessed right, it could be the oldest Alps SKCC switch which made from 1979.(The Apple II plus keyboard)
Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 13:37
by snuci
Sorry about the blurry pics. I thought I'd start to use my Canon Rebel camera and I still don't know how to use it properly
Have a look at this page for more information:
http://www.willegal.net/appleii/early-a2-keyboards.htm. These key switches were made by Datanetics. As for the latching caps lock, there is no Caps Lock key because everything was in upper case only, originally

Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 13:50
by terrycherry
Thank for your details. I have the Canon Rebel camera too(Which are 350D and 500D).
I can teach you how to take the excellent picture about keyboard and PC if you don't mind.
Another thing I advice you should buy the LED desk lamp(which can select the lighting power) and flash for the DSLR.
Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 15:08
by bhtooefr
There were ways to get lowercase out of these systems, and they generally consisted of two schemes. (Modifiers couldn't be directly detected, they instead just told the keyboard controller to output a different character, and the shift key did nothing with letters.)
The first scheme was the software only scheme, using Esc as a caps lock. The second scheme was the shift key mod - a jumper wire from the shift keyswitch to the joystick port's PB2 pin, which lowercase-aware software and firmware could then use to handle lowercase.
And, then, for displaying lowercase... there were a few ways to go about it. First off were software-based approaches that used the high-res graphics mode, you could get 70 columns of text when the normal text mode was only 40 columns wide. That was slow, and hard to read, but free. The second, faster, software way was what some word processors did - use inverse to denote uppercase. Then, there were the hardware approaches - burn a new font ROM with lowercase characters added, and then install a terminal card in slot 3 that handled text mode on its own, and had lowercase support. The terminal card approach also tended to have support for lowercase even in non-lowercase-aware applications, and gave you 80 or 132 columns of readable text, instead of 70 columns of difficult to read text (crammed into 280 pixels wide) or 40 columns of text.
Then, with the //e, they emulated the most popular terminal card standard (the Videx Videoterm, which IIRC emulated the Datapoint 1500) in firmware, the keyboard controller and video ROM both supported lowercase, and the shift key mod was also supported (but not enabled by default, because it was possible for a joystick to short out the power supply if the shift key mod was enabled and the shift key was held down while PB2 was depressed on the joystick) on the motherboard for older software that checked for that.
Posted: 30 Dec 2015, 22:16
by mr_a500
I didn't know there was an Alps SKCC version of the Apple II keyboard. Of course, I've heard of the early Datanetics version (also most popular keyboard for the Apple I, which had no default keyboard). I have an Apple II Plus with a keyboard from The Keyboard Company (TKC)/Apple. I'm sure everybody knows that TKC was started by ex-Datanetics people, supplied keyboards to Apple, then later became integrated into Apple. (and finally dissolved when Apple no longer needed them and went with Alps)
I recently bought a Cherry keyboard for my Apple II, originally designed for the only licensed Apple II clone, the ITT 2020.
Cherry Apple keyboard.jpg
(eBay photo)
It's made in UK, 1980 and has M7 switches. It's similar to my US 1979 Cherry Pro, but has smooth keycaps rather than textured and the sliders don't bind as much. It looks and feels much nicer than the TKC/Apple keyboard.
By the way, did you notice how much those recent NOS Datanetics Apple II keyboards sold for? One went for over $210 CAD, another over $440 and one went for a mind-boggling $560! My Cherry Apple II (also NOS) was only $31.
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 18:23
by terrycherry
I take a look my unknown keyboard again. I did some research and compared to snuci's Apple II.
I strongly say my keyboard is the clone of Apple II(copy from apple II).

my keyboard

back of PCB
Perhaps my keyboard is the Banana clone of Apple II.(copycat too but don't know where it from and what is the switch)
Hope someone can give me more details if you knew it.

- Apple II clone Banana.jpg (92.03 KiB) Viewed 4223 times
Thanks to snuci again!
Share the man make the Apple I, it could help for someone.
http://myownapple1.blogspot.hk/
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 18:38
by terrycherry
mr_a500 wrote:
I recently bought a Cherry keyboard for my Apple II, originally designed for the only licensed Apple II clone, the ITT 2020.
It's made in UK, 1980 and has M7 switches. It's similar to my US 1979 Cherry Pro, but has smooth keycaps rather than textured and the sliders don't bind as much. It looks and feels much nicer than the TKC/Apple keyboard.
Thanks the details. I use to search the switch of this ITT2020 but did't find anymore.
As I know Series M7 incluing M5-M7. Could you take some photo to let me know which variant it is?
I'm collecting this series now.