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Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 20:43
by Nuum
I think there's a metal plate around that barrel, similar to that 50 key Model M numpad, which has membranes in a metal sandwich.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 20:44
by Ratfink
Madhias wrote: I would also say it is a Model M! Nice, I'd be interested in such a numpad!
But would you be $275 interested? ;)

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 20:46
by Tuntematon
Wodan wrote: Every time we have a circle jerk here about a sweet deal on a bunch of blue Alps, prices for regular sales go up by 10% simple said.
Speaking of which, when is the next blue Alps circle jerk? I'm ready 8-)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Working-IBM-Mod ... Swv9hW3HLs

Okay price for a garden variety Model M. The value here is that it has been thoroughly cleaned and properly tested.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 20:50
by Madhias
Ratfink wrote:
Madhias wrote: I would also say it is a Model M! Nice, I'd be interested in such a numpad!
But would you be $275 interested? ;)
No, at best $50! But I have not seen them yet, or do not remember, so are they rare? The sticker says Model M?

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:07
by E3E
Tuntematon wrote:
Wodan wrote: Every time we have a circle jerk here about a sweet deal on a bunch of blue Alps, prices for regular sales go up by 10% simple said.
Speaking of which, when is the next blue Alps circle jerk? I'm ready 8-)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Working-IBM-Mod ... Swv9hW3HLs

Okay price for a garden variety Model M. The value here is that it has been thoroughly cleaned and properly tested.
Maybe we should start circlejerking over white Alps instead to derail the inflation.

Blue Alps suck.

Why do you think there are so many more White Alps boards? It wasn't for cost cutting reasons.

It was because they were better. We know this as fact. Blue Alps are inferior switches.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:09
by Tuntematon
Of course, that's why it's called progress! Things only get better over time, without exception.

Edit: I think I read something about Alps Electric receiving a lot of complaints from manufacturers about their early switch models, which is why they had to make modifications.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:22
by Muirium
Guys… this is the Internet. No place for sarcasm! You'll damage the newbs.

Blue Alps are pretty neat. And I'm not buying or selling. So this is my unbiased opinion.

other-external-f66/great-interesting-fi ... ml#p292715

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:34
by seebart
It's way too late for a deceptive derail at this point. But I guess even white Alps may eventually get more expensive even though there are much more of those available. Best thing if Alps Electric just picked up their production which is about as realistic as the trumpet complimenting hillary.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:39
by Tuntematon
Muirium wrote: Guys… this is the Internet. No place for sarcasm! You'll damage the newbs.

Blue Alps are pretty neat. And I'm not buying or selling. So this is my unbiased opinion.

other-external-f66/great-interesting-fi ... ml#p292715
So you don't like them either? I'm not surprised. Ok, I'm done.

It is certainly a very refined switch. I look forward to seeing the completed 60% board.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:41
by Madhias
Nuum wrote: I think there's a metal plate around that barrel, similar to that 50 key Model M numpad, which has membranes in a metal sandwich.
It is really hard to tell from the picture:

Image

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:42
by tentator
zuglufttier wrote: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Unicomp-Model-M- ... Sw5IJWg1Cs

Pretty cheap Model M... Just needs some new caps.
if I'm not wrong affirmative -> unicomp right?

is it only me but unicomp caps seem to me quite bad..?
I mean I got an unicomp model m with integrated trackpoint.. great buckling spring experience that so far feels similar to old ones but aestetically those caps do not convince me.. kind of strange grey-ish color with "sparkles" in it.. really thin (ok it goes over another cap first, that's true) but the sound overall also does not convince me..

what are those caps actually made of? abs? pbt? and the legends, also quite disappointing, I suppose are pad printed, isn't it?

I mean all in all the switch itself is way better than any other cherry I tried as of today, but the rest disappoints somehow.... maybe that's why they sell even lower in price than older model m or even better f, right?

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:45
by tentator
Wodan wrote: Mitsumi switches for 5€:
KKR-E99AC Keyboard Tastatur, 5 €
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... ium=social
what is so special about this switch? are there DIYers that harvest mitsumi switches for their projects?? or is it just to have a chance to try it out since it's cheap? :)

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 21:49
by seebart
tentator wrote:
Wodan wrote: Mitsumi switches for 5€:
KKR-E99AC Keyboard Tastatur, 5 €
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... ium=social
what is so special about this switch? are there DIYers that harvest mitsumi switches for their projects?? or is it just to have a chance to try it out since it's cheap? :)
Nothing as far as I know, which Mitsumi switch are we talking about?

wiki/Category:Mitsumi_switches

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 22:47
by Wodan
tentator wrote:
Wodan wrote: Mitsumi switches for 5€:
KKR-E99AC Keyboard Tastatur, 5 €
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... ium=social
what is so special about this switch? are there DIYers that harvest mitsumi switches for their projects?? or is it just to have a chance to try it out since it's cheap? :)
I posted them because it's something unusual and rather cheap. There are people who like sophisticated rubberdomes...

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 23:11
by tentator
well maybe for some 10 bucks I could also get rid of curiosity but so far on top of my list would be to try out many switches (basically alps and topre) you guys talk about so much here and of course I'd like to give them a chance to see what my hands do feel about!! ;) ;)
so far I only know cherry mx (brown, clear and blues) and buckle springs (MM), prefering the last ones for home and clears for the office (to avoid the colleagues killing me basically.. =)

btw, model m keycaps are always pbt, right? (I recently found out that caps influence a lot the feeling on the cherries so maybe the same applies to BS... on cherries I seem to like more POM, PBT and double shot ABS.. but I think basically what I like most is when they have big mass..)

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 23:15
by seebart
Nothing wrong with posting that Wodan. I still don't know what Mitsumi's that one has?

Yes tentator the type of keycap can make a difference in the feel of the switch, which of course varies from switch to switch.

Posted: 06 Mar 2016, 23:57
by Chyros
seebart wrote: Nothing wrong with posting that Wodan. I still don't know what Mitsumi's that one has?

Yes tentator the type of keycap can make a difference in the feel of the switch, which of course varies from switch to switch.
Should be Mitsumi hybrids. My AC is a linear one, though it might be the tactile one.

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 00:04
by seebart
OK cool thanks. I own a Commodre PC-1 keyboard that has some switch that I never ID'd. I need to have another look at that. Not even sure if it is Mitsumi. Here it is:

keyboards-f2/commodre-pc-1-keyboard-t82 ... =commodore

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 00:26
by Chyros
seebart wrote: OK cool thanks. I own a Commodre PC-1 keyboard that has some switch that I never ID'd. I need to have another look at that. Not even sure if it is Mitsumi. Here it is:

keyboards-f2/commodre-pc-1-keyboard-t82 ... =commodore
Yup, linear Mitsumi switches :) .

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 00:30
by seebart
Right not my favorite switch, I have not used it in ages. I looks pretty good though. :P

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 01:03
by Dra
Very beat up Model M from 86 missing almost all covers as well as 2 keys on the numpad entirely, might hop onto that one if it stays low and see if there's anything I can do with it and unicomp replacement caps
http://www.ebay.de/itm/IBM-Model-M-Tast ... Swh-1W3F4a

And a very clean Model M that seems to have gotten very little use
http://www.ebay.de/itm/IBM-Keyboard-Mod ... Swh-1W23kh

Ducky Shine 3 TKL refurbished according to seller
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Ducky-Shine-3-Sl ... SwwpdW2x1C

G80-3000LPMEU Lasered caps (?), US Layout, MX blacks probably
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cherry-Tastatur- ... Swr7ZW3Hhs

G80-1851LPMDE, cleaned by the seller
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cherry-G80-1800- ... SwmmxW3G2n

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 02:18
by Khronokrator
E3E wrote: Yep, Japan has a ton of SKCL Green and SKCM Blue. Ebay is so NOT the place to look if you want those switches cheap. The US market is more suited toward getting switches like SKCM Orange and Salmon rather cheaply. :P
Any particular sites or services you'd recommend, E3E? I know you got that nice blue Alps board from the Chinese equivalent of eBay, and was wondering if there was a comparable place for Jthe Japanese market.

I'm not so crazy about Blue Alps these days, since I finally 'got' one (presuming it hasn't been lost in the mail somewhere...). There's a few Alps battleship boards I'd like to get, like one of those Ortek MCK-142s or the Focus FK-5001/9000.

In my mind, the FK-5001/9000 is a rarer board than any blue Alps, which come up fairly often.

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 06:05
by kbdfr
Dra wrote: […]
G80-3000LPMEU Lasered caps (?), US Layout, MX blacks probably
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cherry-Tastatur- ... Swr7ZW3Hhs
[…]
Please do your homework:
G80-3000 LPMEU:
G80 = MX
P = blacks
L = lasered caps

We failed to welcome you to DT on your first post a few days ago, by the way.
Welcome! :D

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 08:29
by ohaimark
This could be a fun buy for someone... I don't think I'll be bidding. But I might. :lol:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-of-5-Vintag ... 1890940222

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 11:15
by Dra
kbdfr wrote: Please do your homework
In my defense, I'd rather be unsure than spread wrong information especially when doing my homework at 1 am :P

But thanks, I was looking for that article and couldn't find it yesterday

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 11:21
by shreebles
You HAD better learn them, else you will be SAD if you miss a good deal one day! :lol:

SAUrry, could not resist.

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 12:26
by Muirium
Shut it, LAD!

(Is lasered German layout LAD or some equivalent Cherry randomnym? I'm unqualified to make any fresh puns beyond your asSAUlt on common decency!)

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 13:02
by shreebles
I believe it is LxxDE, usually.

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 13:08
by Muirium
Bastards. How are we meant to pun with that!?

Posted: 07 Mar 2016, 13:11
by Nuum
Winkeyless lasered PBT actually can be LAD!