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Posted: 15 Jul 2013, 15:15
by wuzle
7bit, I just wanted to make sure I did everything correctly in my order (#0198), I see it hasn't shipped yet. The keys are looking great, by the way.
Posted: 15 Jul 2013, 15:57
by 7bit
Already shipped orders:
0001
0003
0012
0018
0027
0056
0058
0066
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0084
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0150
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0256
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9021
Marked as shipped this week (will ship today or until Friday):
0062
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0127
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Re: Round 4 / packing (98.9%) / dummy (99.2%) / shipping (97
Posted: 15 Jul 2013, 20:15
by GMC
7bit wrote:
0722
Woo-Hoo!!!!! Will be straight down the post office when back from Japan!!!!
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 00:02
by BimboBB
Le "Noir" est très bien!

Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 11:37
by hottrout
I really do appreciate all the hard work that 7bit has put into this huge buy, but to say I was not dissapointed would be a lie. After a year and many $$$ I am unable to use the caps I bought because you simply cannot read them. They dont look anywhere as dark as your image.
Picture attached with existing Cherry CAPS on the QWERTY to show the difference. In the background you can also see loose caps that look white.
7Bit, what can be done about this?

- New Caps too pale
- DSC_0197.jpg (410.49 KiB) Viewed 6151 times
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 12:26
by Acanthophis
You wanna know why I didn't order RETRO?
Because I knew this beforehand.
How you ask?
I looked it up in the wiki before ordering.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_ ... rder_guide
The attachment doesn't work anymore, thanks to r00tworm. But the contrast on that pic was very similar.
7bit admitted the colours are a bit off, but even if he would have got them right, the contrast would be still very low (if it would have looked the same as in said pic).
You could have known beforehand what you were getting yourself into.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 12:39
by Muirium
Aha!
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_Four_4_Dummies
This is what I needed to understand this whole thing, all along. (Linked inside of Acanthophis' link. Cheers!) Round 4 was a monster! So cheesed I missed those sphericals. The obvious choice!
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 13:48
by hottrout
Acanthophis wrote:You wanna know why I didn't order RETRO?
Because I knew this beforehand.
How you ask?
I looked it up in the wiki before ordering.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_ ... rder_guide
The attachment doesn't work anymore, thanks to r00tworm. But the contrast on that pic was very similar.
7bit admitted the colours are a bit off, but even if he would have got them right, the contrast would be still very low (if it would have looked the same as in said pic).
You could have known beforehand what you were getting yourself into.
OK but, the actual end product does not look like the image
http://deskthority.net/wiki/File:RETRO_STDRGBYSYM.png
I am not sure this is 7bit's fault, I think the colour is even lighter than the sample and the manufacturer is more to blame. The fact remains that the keys are not usable.
Anyone interested in buying my caps?
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 13:52
by 7bit

Sorry for the low contrast, but they are more visible than in your picture.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 15:35
by Salisen
Maybe they ran out of BCQ and used something lighter without asking.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 15:35
by Salisen
Also, are the red ESC keys meant to have the letters instead of the symbols? Maybe I just misread.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 17:08
by hottrout
Salisen wrote:Maybe they ran out of BCQ and used something lighter without asking.
I honestly think that this could be the case. 7bit the picture is excatly as they are, I am not making this up

, the letters on these keys are unreadable.
I can also confirm that the colour of the blue used on my caps does not match the colour of the blue in the image of the swatches you have provided. It is a lot lighter.
Its a pity because I was so looking forward to them.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 17:13
by hottrout
Here is another low contrast image close up that shows how much lighter the caps are,

- Caps Colour
- DSC_0198.jpg (418.55 KiB) Viewed 6047 times
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 22:34
by niz
I can read my Retros just fine, however, I also don't need to look at my caps that often either while typing. I think they look fantastic and love the texture on them too.
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 22:37
by JBert
Ooh, blank doubleshots!
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 22:50
by Muirium
Well, they're extra tough that way.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 02:44
by Adelhyde
Hi 7bit, order #0326 here, my order was one of the first to go out on May 28 but I've yet to receive it. Can you double-check its status? Is there any way to track through the post office? Thanks.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 11:24
by dirge
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 11:37
by HzFaq
Pics

Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 12:00
by Jmneuv
Well hottrout i looked around a bit and i think that's just how R4 Retro looks. Personally i think the subtle contrast is quite elegant.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 18:00
by dirge
HzFaq wrote:Pics

The Function row may have been improved by being same profile as the number row. Doesn't matter tho. Stunning! chunky and this spacebar! it's like a log!
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 18:22
by Muirium
Sphericals = automatic awesome! Brilliant looking board, Dirge. (So jealous…)
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 18:38
by dirge
thanks went for the lotus instead of win and red escape and keyboard guy didn't look right too me. Loving it! very nice to type on.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 20:16
by lal
hottrout wrote:
[...retro style alpha's legends are almost invisible...]
7Bit, what can be done about this?
What do you expect 7bit to do? Retro's alphas are fucked up, right. Maybe SP used a tiny bit lighter shade of the ordered color (I wouldn't be sure about that). But even a slightly darker blue would not improve the contrast significantly. Such things can happen when ordering custom color combinations you've never seen in real life before. The mockups suggested a much better contrast but everyone could see the actual color samples and no one raised concerns. We collectively fucked up and learned that mockups are just that. It's not SP's and certainly not 7bit's fault and we can't expect either of them to get us better contrasting replacements for free.
7bit, just thank you. You're a machine! :)
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 20:21
by webwit
I advise to fix it with a new groupbuy of yellow on whites.

Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 21:26
by 7bit
webwit wrote:I advise to fix it with a new groupbuy of yellow on whites.

Yeah! Yellow is a highly visible color, much better than blue, so this should work.
I've got some leftovers and will put them on a keyboard and try them myself. I still believe they are contrasty enough.

Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 21:38
by Halvar
7bit wrote:webwit wrote:I advise to fix it with a new groupbuy of yellow on whites.

Yeah! Yellow is a highly visible color, much better than blue, so this should work.
I've got some leftovers and will put them on a keyboard and try them myself. I still believe they are contrasty enough.

Just answering to see how they look on light grey.
Edit: Much better...

Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 21:48
by Muirium
What's all the fuss about, anyway? Your fingers know where the keys are.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 23:22
by Acanthophis
Muirium wrote:What's all the fuss about, anyway? Your fingers know where the keys are.
Apparently, they don't.
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 23:27
by 7bit
Just look at the monitor when typing, so you know who is who on your keyboard.