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Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 15:07
by seebart
bhtooefr wrote: Fujitsu Peerless isn't good.
Fujitsu Peerless is strange and rubberdome(ish). The boards are pretty good build quality. Not sure what they are worth though.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Fujitsu_Peerless
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 15:21
by Stabilized
That one I posted is new and the seller wants £45 (but is taking offers), would it be worth that?
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 15:37
by seebart
The value is relative. Would be nicer if he had the original box. I'd say 25-30 max.
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 15:40
by bhtooefr
Oh, I'm well aware of what Peerless is. I've owned a Peerless board before.
It's just dreadful to type on, IMO. And I don't mean in a "it sucks compared to buckling spring and clicky Alps" like how I mean my anti-Cherry mentality, I'd still take MX blues over a rubber dome. I mean it in a "I'd rather have a decent membrane rubber dome" sense. (Yes, I know, Peerless is a membrane rubber dome at heart, but it's fatiguing to type on for me, whereas I've typed on halfway decent membrane direct domes that aren't.)
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 15:48
by seebart
Peerless isn't one my favorite switches either. I don't find it fatiguing to type on, the whole switch feel is strange to me. "Anti-Cherry mentality"? How so? I see you have Matias Click listed as your favorite switch, I have yet to try any Matias switch. But I do know various Alps.
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 16:02
by Stabilized
Thanks guys, I was actually thinking of getting an original HHKB 2 (PD-KB02), but might not bother if the switches are going to be bad.
So the main reasons they aren't good are because of how fatiguing they are?
Do they feel mushy? I thought they sounded quite good by the description on the wiki:
"The switch feel is fairly similar to IBM membrane buckling spring, but with greater resistance and a comparatively rough feel. A Model M keyboard feels softer and much smoother in comparison."
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 16:10
by bhtooefr
The problem is exactly that - greater resistance. Also, because the keycap acts through a spring, then that spring acts (through a cup, which is how it clicks) on the rubber dome, I find that there's major inconsistency in actuation and force depending on how fast you hit the keys, due to the dampening effect of the dome. It actually feels decent if you're slowly hitting one key at a time, but it stiffens up with speed, and I hate that. Actuation also moves higher in the stroke, which isn't bad, but the stiffness is, so...
And, I don't like Cherry MX switches. I don't think they're bad (although I think browns are mostly pointless), but I don't get the hype. I think they're better than rubber domes, but not that much better. As far as Matias... the closest Alps I've used that I can remember is SKCM amber, and the ambers are actually smoother and more tactile. However, I'm not going to harvest Apple //c keyboards for them, I'd rather use the //c that they're installed in. (It's been a while since I've typed on SKCM blues, though.) I'd say the Matias Clicks are slightly lower force and higher tactility than SKCM whites, to put things in perspective, and Matias's goal was to clone the SKBM white, and I think they actually did better than the SKCM white even.
As far as the PD-KB02, I was under the impression that it ran straight rubber domes, not Peerless.
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 16:18
by seebart
"The switch feel is fairly similar to IBM membrane buckling spring, but with greater resistance and a comparatively rough feel. A Model M keyboard feels softer and much smoother in comparison."
I really don't like to contradict our wiki authors but I would not say that Peerless is similar to IBM membrane buckling spring in feel. But I only own one used Peerless keyboard, so my reference is limited. From what you are writing you might want to try before you buy if that is possible for you. In my opinion there is no good or bad, just different. You need to find out or know what your preference is and then start shopping. I can't tell you.
bhtooefr wrote: The problem is exactly that - greater resistance. Also, because the keycap acts through a spring, then that spring acts (through a cup, which is how it clicks) on the rubber dome, I find that there's major inconsistency in actuation and force depending on how fast you hit the keys, due to the dampening effect of the dome. It actually feels decent if you're slowly hitting one key at a time, but it stiffens up with speed, and I hate that. Actuation also moves higher in the stroke, which isn't bad, but the stiffness is, so...
I would agree with that. I'm not any good at describing any switch feel. Sorry.
Yeah I need to try a Matias keyboard some time.
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 16:19
by Stabilized
bhtooefr wrote: As far as the PD-KB02, I was under the impression that it ran straight rubber domes, not Peerless.
My mistake, you're right about that one. They just look a bit similar:
seebart wrote:
Yeah I need to try a Matias keyboard some time.
Me too, I think that is probably higher on my list of keyboards to try actually. Can't wait for the ergo pro EU tour
Thanks again guys, think I will give it a miss based on your opinions
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 16:31
by seebart
Stabilized wrote:
Me too, I think that is probably higher on my list of keyboards to try actually. Can't wait for the ergo pro EU tour
Thanks again guys, think I will give it a miss based on your opinions
Good choice!
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 18:47
by kbdfr
I seem to remember that these (German set of caps for a winkeyless G80/G81-1800) have already been posted before:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/181701552297
53.78€ + shipping
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 18:48
by scottc
That seems a bit extravagant...
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 19:09
by hammelgammler
kbdfr wrote: I seem to remember that these (German set of caps for a winkeyless G80/G81-1800) have already been posted before:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/181701552297
53.78€ + shipping
Yeah that was exactly the one i wanted to buy, not for the keycaps but for the PCB and case...
Didn't thought it will go that high...
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 20:12
by GuilleAcoustic
Awesome, I might finaly be able to get an XT for a reasonable price and more importantly get a mechanical keyboard. I don't want dozen of keyboards, I just want one
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 20:22
by andrewjoy
it must have fallen through , it was on my watchlist and it sold for about 50 quid .
i wont be bidding
i already have an xt with multiple spare parts
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 20:58
by GuilleAcoustic
andrewjoy wrote: it must have fallen through , it was on my watchlist and it sold for about 50 quid .
i wont be bidding
i already have an xt with multiple spare parts
Thanks a lot Sir, that's very appreciated. I was bidding on it, it went for about 70€.
I'll try to find parts later as I'd like to build my own ultra compact keyboard from capacitive buckling spring parts.
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 21:46
by kbdfr
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 22:12
by wlhlm
Wow, that resistor array surely was fun to solder! /s
Posted: 03 Apr 2015, 23:22
by Daniel
That seller is trying to sell that thing for over a year now
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 14:13
by seebart
very interesting, but a little too expensive. Wood is back...
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Antike-Holz-Tast ... 1707845725?
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 15:12
by scottc
Acorn keyboard. UK ANSI layout (!!!), with a shortened backspace key to make space for a pound key.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Acorn-BBC ... 1500250467
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 15:27
by XMIT
Very nice! I hope someone here gets one and adds it to the Wiki. Shipping to the US is a bit much for this one.
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 15:32
by Ascaii
I was stuck out of home and couldnt make my bis...time for me to join the 21st century and get a smartphone.
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 16:09
by Stabilized
Is that a rubber dome keyboard? The keycaps are pretty cool
A Cherry G84-5500LUMGB (ML switches, with trackpad) for £30:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151636881302? ... Track=true
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 18:32
by bhtooefr
Linear on membrane with pad-printed caps, IIRC.
The one in my A3020 (technically, it's not an A3010 keyboard, as the A3010 had green function keys instead of red) isn't the very worst keyboard I've typed on, but it can't be described as good.
It is interesting that Acorn chose to copy US ANSI Model M layout for a machine that never really took off outside of the UK, though, even after UK ISO layout Model Ms were out. They used that layout on all of their ARM2/3-based machines that were actually released (the A500 prototype was
different, but it was also before the ARM2 was even finished), and then switched to UK ISO layout rubber domes for the RiscPC and A7000.
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 19:06
by elecplus
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 20:22
by ramnes
No one took that wood keyboard? Seriously?
NCR PC4 XT keyboard (made by Cherry, super-vintage blacks), someone take this please:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NCR-key ... NA:FR:3160
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 20:27
by Ascaii
Yeah, i fucked up, but i got my sniper set now xD
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 20:28
by wheybags
fucking jbidwatcher has died on me before ;_;
Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 20:36
by gogusrl
