deskthority

esr wrote: 29 May 2021, 05:06And every public explanation of why you are wrong that you pry out of me increases and broadens the risk.

zrrion wrote: 29 May 2021, 05:16 if it can be destroyed by the truth it deserves to be destroyed by the truth, just leave it well enough alone

Redmaus wrote: 29 May 2021, 04:20 …
Exactly my point actually. Orihalcon has been selling his converters for over half a decade and nothing has happened to him.

WahterMehlon wrote: 29 May 2021, 06:44 deskthority is cancer

WahterMehlon wrote: 29 May 2021, 07:20

Rayndalf wrote: 29 May 2021, 08:30

WahterMehlon wrote: 29 May 2021, 07:20

Don't you think water boarding is going a bit far?

Just a random thought that contributes nothing:

Soarer shared his code under a username that was never concretely tied to a real name or address, so basically anyone could claim to be Soarer for legal purposes, right? If no one knows his identity then how could anyone file a troll lawsuit?

What if Soarer just got frustrated with his projects but continued in the community under a different name? Orihalcon, Muirium, or Shallout, basically anyone could actually be Soarer in disguise

HerbalNekoTea wrote: 29 May 2021, 06:45 You know Soarer's probably long fucking dead from something like cancer and his body now full of worm or it ashed body would not care anyway about what happened to his code. He has no way to profit from it being probably dead and he never had any of his familly use the code to make the profit he could had made in those 5 years since he was gone. So even if it's not GPL, WHO CARE ABOUT THE LICENSING. I am a dirty pirate and simply fucking forked it, downloaded a local copy twice. Just to be sure it will stay online. Nothing happen after your are dead. Religion's a sham and after you are dead, the world continue. I am sure my dead dad who died in July 2015 would have no say on the next election and would not care about the dang lockdown since it's not something he could had the occasion to reflect on "Am i for or against" when he was alive 7 years ago. If code was to be public domain after the death of an author, if it was not his wish to have it opensourced by his familly when he died, it should be public domain 5 years later if the new owner (his familly) did fuck all in 5 years. I fucking deleted all the 20TB of pirate movies and music my dad had in his hdd, put fucking pirated video game, anime and more into it. I would totally not listen to 1960'S rock and roll and other shitty french music taste he had. We also sold his vinyls collection and his house to be sure we would had not to leave the gov take ownership of his stuff due to debt in mortgage. Did i give any shit about his vinyl, not really, i would not want to seek what i want in FUCKING 20K VINYL RECORD. At this point, i find the GPL license nice but also super limited when it come to fucking stuff not being GPL to be incorporated into it. Fucking Shift-JIS for linux being BSD license... it still piss me off to trying to find a way to have it native on Linux... Just my 2cents.

Rayndalf wrote: 29 May 2021, 08:30

WahterMehlon wrote: 29 May 2021, 07:20

Don't you think water boarding is going a bit far?

Just a random thought that contributes nothing:

Soarer shared his code under a username that was never concretely tied to a real name or address, so basically anyone could claim to be Soarer for legal purposes, right? If no one knows his identity then how could anyone file a troll lawsuit?

What if Soarer just got frustrated with his projects but continued in the community under a different name? Orihalcon, Muirium, or Shallot, basically anyone could actually be Soarer in disguise

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:28 I'm spartacus

Muirium wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:32

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:28 I'm spartacus

No, you're just a troll.

Muirium wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:34 A thoroughly conceived argument like that sure burns!

Maybe I'll learn how to do it better someday.

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:37 I really hope so. It is incredibly tedious watching you post up a storm of out of date bollocks as facts in every thread. Latest one that pissed me off was you trying to discourage someone from finishing their aek2 project cause of your own biases. That's not keyboard excellence.

Muirium wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:38 Neither is the AEK2.

They're worth a little work if starting from a good point. But that board's switches were trashed. I recall you advising a rolling Matias upgrade. Something like that sounds a nightmare. A mediocre board that keeps on breaking. Excellence indeed.

Bjerrk wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:44

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:37 I really hope so. It is incredibly tedious watching you post up a storm of out of date bollocks as facts in every thread. Latest one that pissed me off was you trying to discourage someone from finishing their aek2 project cause of your own biases. That's not keyboard excellence.

Why exactly does posting this bring you pleasure? Do you generally like being mean to people - as in bullying?

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:44 I bully bullies. esr is one of those.

shallot wrote: 29 May 2021, 09:49 nothing about this thread brings me pleasure. if this forum had active mods it would be long gone.

nobatron wrote: 29 May 2021, 10:22 I don't think attempting to doxx a former member counts as being kind to one another.

Muirium wrote: 29 May 2021, 10:41

nobatron wrote: 29 May 2021, 10:22 I don't think attempting to doxx a former member counts as being kind to one another.

A straw man argument the like of that bollocks certainly isn't kind.

nobatron wrote: 29 May 2021, 11:27 It's not strawmanning. If esr had suggested a clean room approach from the get go, or switched to that approach this would be a very different thread.

Rayndalf wrote: 29 May 2021, 10:59 I agree with most of what you've said, but that's not a strawman, esr has explicitly called on members post Soarer's real name or address. Just because that information is posted with good intentions doesn't make it not doxxing, because once that information is public it can be seen by anyone.

• I'd like the community* to reach out to Soarer to seek his permission to give his code (or Arakula's etc.) a licence, once and for all.
• If Soarer cannot be found, we* should work out whether he's alive or dead. There is a world of difference, even in the seemingly trivial matter of open source software development.
• If he really is sadly gone from the world, then we* should use esr's procedure to seek permission from his estate to open source his keyboard converter / controller.