deskthority

Posted: **26 Apr 2013, 04:45**

those retro keys look fantastic

Posted: **26 Apr 2013, 05:51**

Sarcasm? I was actually going to comment on how terrible retro looks. Those awful thin legends... I'm really glad I didn't get those.

Posted: **26 Apr 2013, 09:19**

With all this business about legends I'm glad I ordered blanks

Posted: **26 Apr 2013, 21:34**

I;m in the middle with the Retro alnum keys. The legends are not perfectly visible, but much better than in the pictures from SP.

I will finish most of Retro today and can start with Noir on Saturday.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 00:21**

Maybe the Retro's aren't perfect, especially looking at individual keys, but let's see how they look as a set on a Filco. I'll post pics as soon as I get mine. I got the Retro Sym. I think they'll look awesome on a keyboard. I got the whole 104 key set and the only decent full size keyboard I have is a Bluetooth Filco Majestouch, so I guess I'll put them on it.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 01:47**

telepete wrote:Sarcasm? I was actually going to comment on how terrible retro looks. Those awful thin legends... I'm really glad I didn't get those.

not being sarcastic at all. i like the light blue color a lot. i dont see the stroke weight of the legends as a problem, yet again I not a fan of giant legends.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 08:22**

I hope the Symbols (RETRO STDRGBYSYM) look like the preview image.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 10:01**

A little bit thinner and a little less contrast and the tab key must be redone because the legend is too thick and too large.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 10:18**

So there will be a delay for anyone who bought retro because of the tab?

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 11:43**

Any pictures of Round 3? Are the legends ok on those?

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 19:29**

I just got an e-mail for round 3 mistakes.

What are the other mistakes... Off the top of my head, I can remember.

Backwards look of disapproval.
Off-center stepped capslock.

What were the others?

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 19:52**

dr-dinosaur wrote:I just got an e-mail for round 3 mistakes.

What are the other mistakes... Off the top of my head, I can remember.

Backwards look of disapproval.

Off-center stepped capslock.
What were the others?

You are not in my list. But the look of disapproval, some awesome keys and the Caps Lock keys are available. There are also some keys for Spanish and French kit.

Here is the complete list (STANDARD contains the Caps Lock keys):

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R3X/STANDARD
R3X/MODIFIER
R3X/NUMERIC
R3X/ES
R3X/FR
R3X/KEYBOARDBLACKONRED
R3X/KEYBOARDRED
R3X/COMMAND
R3X/AWITHDOT
R3X/AWESOMEYELLOW
R3X/AWESOMEORANGE
R3X/ORANGE
R3X/WHITEONBLUE
R3X/RED
R3X/CONTROL175O

I sent invoices out to everybody, so you can see what you ordered, or if your address is correct.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 19:59**

7bit wrote:
dr-dinosaur wrote:I just got an e-mail for round 3 mistakes.

What are the other mistakes... Off the top of my head, I can remember.

Backwards look of disapproval.

Off-center stepped capslock.
What were the others?
You are not in my list. But the look of disapproval, some awesome keys and the Caps Lock keys are available. There are also some keys for Spanish and French kit.

Here is the complete list (STANDARD contains the Caps Lock keys):
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...
I sent invoices out to everybody, so you can see what you ordered, or if your address is correct.

Thanks, but I was just saying I got the invoice, I was just wondering what the actual mistakes were. MODIFER ORANGE and STANDARD.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:11**

Did I just receive a confirmation for Round3 replacements?

Great!

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:12**

dr-dinosaur wrote:Thanks, but I was just saying I got the invoice, I was just wondering what the actual mistakes were. MODIFER ORANGE and STANDARD.

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legend         |kit               |size   |color
BACK SPACE     |STANDARD          |2 units|GX
CAPS LOCK      |STANDARD          |R3175S |GX
|\             |STANDARD          |150    |GX
|\             |STANDARD          |150    |GE
0              |STANDARD          |R4U200 |GE

CONTROL        |MODIFIER          |R3U175O|GX

WASD/ORANGE    |ORANGE            |R1U100 |WA/OAS
^^^ This is the WASD key with arrows.

\? \!          |ES                |1 unit |GE
^ `[           |ES                |1 unit |GX

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:22**

megnin wrote:… the only decent full size keyboard I have is a Bluetooth Filco Majestouch, so I guess I'll put them on it.

May I ask where did you get the Bluetooth Filco? I can't find a damn thing about them online besides people's initial reactions to Diatec's announcement. Japan only?

Wireless is the way of the future. (Ideally with USB support included alongside, and battery charging over the USB jack.) I'm itching to see it done right with quality keyboards at last. Especially the 60% form factor.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:30**

Order code was
FILCO/TKL125/BLUE

But it is long sold out ...

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:37**

7bit wrote:A little bit thinner and a little less contrast and the tab key must be redone because the legend is too thick and too large.

Ouch!
Does it mean 4-6 months waiting time?

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 20:51**

No, don't think so.

Posted: **27 Apr 2013, 21:38**

I don't seem to have anything like as many 'Pcs' as I was expecting...

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R3X/NUMERIC |Round 3 replacements(18)  | 0.00|  1|  1| 0.00
R3X/STANDARD|Round 3 replacements (190)| 0.00|  2|  8| 0.00

No idea what the numeric one is!
So 'standard' covers the caps locks etc with stems in the wrong place, for the standard kit.
What about 6u space bars? (standard, dark grey and transparent).
What about dark grey and transparent blanks? (just full-touch caps locks, I think).

I'll have to go over the kits again later to see exactly what I thought I would be getting.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 00:18**

0 was too far to the left on the 2 units, row 4 numpad 0-key.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 02:19**

Muirium wrote:
megnin wrote:… the only decent full size keyboard I have is a Bluetooth Filco Majestouch, so I guess I'll put them on it.
May I ask where did you get the Bluetooth Filco? I can't find a damn thing about them online besides people's initial reactions to Diatec's announcement. Japan only?

Wireless is the way of the future. (Ideally with USB support included alongside, and battery charging over the USB jack.) I'm itching to see it done right with quality keyboards at last. Especially the 60% form factor.

I used a buying agent six or seven years ago to buy it for me from Diatec and send it to me. They were always Japan only. Something about them not being FCC regulation compliant. Mine has great range and a set of AA batteries lasts for months and months.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 02:31**

megnin wrote:I used a buying agent six or seven years ago to buy it for me from Diatec and send it to me. They were always Japan only. Something about them not being FCC regulation compliant. Mine has great range and a set of AA batteries lasts for months and months.

Six or seven years ago? Yikes. So much for the future at Filco!

I get a few months out of the pair of AAs in my little Apple TKL too. Bluetooth's a perfect match for keyboards. Well, so long as you've some breathing room on 2.4 GHz. I know it's not so easy for everyone's environment.

Mice, meanwhile, send far more messages over the protocol. That's the nature of the beasties. Lag is much more familiar with them, range nowhere near as good, and battery consumption takes a real hit too. My keyboard's little Magic Mouse compadre was going through its pair of AAs almost once a week. My solution was one of these. Nowhere near the hurry for the keyboard equivalent in inductive chargers.

It honestly surprises me just how absent wireless is in mech keyboards. Guess it's down to finding the Bluetooth answer to the Teensy and making them ourselves.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 02:40**

You are probably right. Not long ago I had a real burning desire for a bluetooth HHKB Pro 2. That's still my dream keyboard.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 04:55**

7bit wrote:0 was too far to the left on the 2 units, row 4 numpad 0-key.

I see. I hadn't noticed that one.

On my list I've got:

STANDARD:

caps lock full touch -- incorrect stem
caps lock stepped -- incorrect stem
control (for caps pos) full touch -- incorrect stem
control (for caps pos) stepped -- incorrect stem

BLANK:

caps lock full touch with offset stem -- incorrect stem

SPACENEWBLACK -- incorrect stems
SPACENEWGREY -- incorrect stems
SPACENEWCLEAR -- incorrect stems

COLEMAKBACKSPACE:

backspace for caps pos stepped -- incorrectly sorted, received r2u150 instead

I know the last one wasn't an SP mistake, but I recall you saying you were missing the r2u150 keys I got - have you got any stepped colemakbackspace so we can swap?

Those 6u space bars are the most important to me - have you got them?

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 10:04**

STANDARD:
- caps lock full touch -- incorrect stem no
- caps lock stepped -- incorrect stem yes
- control (for caps pos) full touch -- incorrect stem yes
- control (for caps pos) stepped -- incorrect stem yes
BLANK:
- caps lock full touch with offset stem -- incorrect stem no, only center-stem available
SPACENEWBLACK -- incorrect stems yes
SPACENEWGREY -- incorrect stems yes
SPACENEWCLEAR -- incorrect stems no

COLEMAKBACKSPACE:
- backspace for caps pos stepped -- incorrectly sorted, received r2u150 instead yes

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 12:15**

What was the other incorrect key in STANDARD then, to make the 4 pieces? Or do you mean that you haven't got them replaced?
(For both caps lock and control full touch, I meant also with offset stem - the full touch centre stem ones were ok).

I definitely have blank keys here that are row 3, for the caps pos, which have the stem stuffed right up against the end. They were meant to be 'something'!

What do you mean SPACENEWCLEAR 'no'? They are definitely incorrect

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 12:53**

The full-touch keys were a big mistake anyway.
I only have stepped Caps Lock and full-touch Control.
I did not get any SPACENEW replacements other than what had been ordered during Round 4. So there is no clear SPACENEW available.

THe drawing as the wrong way round. I don't remember the complete story, but this was not SP's fault.

I can't remember they messed up the blank keys. I know there where in-stock-blanks missing.

There are also no Starcraft keys, BTW. They are not allowed to produce them anymore so we don't get any replacements.

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 14:13**

The SPACENEW drawing was the wrong way round... BUT... what they made didn't match it anyway!!! The stems were again stuffed right up against the ends, and that part of it was definitely their fault.

I wanted to check all these things long ago, but you would not discuss it. All you said was something like "SP have agreed to replace the mistakes". No more detail than that. Perhaps a correct SPACENEWCLEAR could've been added to R4 at a price I would've paid. No chance of that now, obviously, and the price for me to order just those direct from SP would be ridiculous

Posted: **28 Apr 2013, 14:27**

At least the current model fits:

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