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fohat wrote:

Chyros wrote:
the blue badge on them REALLY doesn't fit the grey colour scheme imo.

It didn't take me more than 5 minutes to remove the blue badge and replace it with one of the black reproductions.

Which is nice, which is nice. But it's not AS nice.

I have a new in box Key Tronic Syner G FlexPro ergonomic keyboard. Any ideas on the value? I realize this is an uncommon niche item.

Ive got 99 MX Whites (plate mount). IDK where I lost the 100th one .
How much should I ask for it to get rid of them reasonably quickly?

bucyfer wrote: Ive got 99 MX Whites (plate mount). IDK where I lost the 100th one .
How much should I ask for it to get rid of them reasonably quickly?

7bit charges €0.65 per switch for brand new ones: group-buys-f50/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html

If you want to get rid of them quickly, undercut that by some margin. More if they're used.

I think this is a Focus FK-555, UK layout.
The pcb is marked "Focus" and "fk-b007" and it seems to have Alps blue.

Any ideas of value please?

If it does have SKCM blue Alps at least 350 probably more though.

Could well be a 555. It appears to have come with at least three different keycap sets that I know of (black, two coloured modifiers, three differently colour modifiers). That one seems consistent with the black keycap model. Yeah Focus!

I should have showed you the switches, so here they are:
It seems visually to be an exact match, other than the keycaps being UK and more yellowed, to the photo at the bottom of the thread at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80658.0 , and that is supposed to be an FK555.

When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?

m3mbrane wrote: When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?

Either, it could also fetch more depending on the condition! More pictures plz.

seebart wrote:

m3mbrane wrote: When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?

Either, it could also fetch more depending on the condition! More pictures plz.

You're joking right? Does that mean my PC8801 keyboard would be worth at least around that?

No, the 8801's layout and lack of convertibility make it far less appealing.

subcat wrote: No, the 8801's layout and lack of convertibility make it far less appealing.

gg

How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?

PancakeMSTR wrote: How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?

Yes but not much more and only because it's bolt modded + teensy.

seebart wrote:

PancakeMSTR wrote: How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?

Yes but not much more and only because it's bolt modded + teensy.

Of course.

seebart wrote:

PancakeMSTR wrote:
How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?

Yes but not much more and only because it's bolt modded + teensy.

That seems high for the US. Bolt-modding usually adds little to the selling price, although it should be worth at least $30, in my opinion. Internationally they are much harder to find and should bring more.

If "square label" means metal badge on the right side, that usually indicates an older specimen and if that means the heavier back plate (>500 grams) then that is a big plus, but 1990 seems late for that.

If it is a terminal without LEDs, then that is probably a significant negative for many people.

fohat wrote:

seebart wrote:

PancakeMSTR wrote:
How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?

Yes but not much more and only because it's bolt modded + teensy.

That seems high for the US. Bolt-modding usually adds little to the selling price, although it should be worth at least $30, in my opinion. Internationally they are much harder to find and should bring more.

If "square label" means metal badge on the right side, that usually indicates an older specimen and if that means the heavier back plate (>500 grams) then that is a big plus, but 1990 seems late for that.

If it is a terminal without LEDs, then that is probably a significant negative for many people.

Seriously? 30 bux for a restored, converted, bolt modded Model M? That sounds preposterously low.

It is a version with the square, metal badge in the upper right corner, though I believe it doesn't use the heavier back plate (it's uniform grey steel, not the rainbow color that is indicative of the heavier plate, I believe).

It's not a terminal, it has working LEDs.

I read it as "adding 30$ to the non-bolted value", not 30$ in total.

Laser wrote: I read it as "adding 30$ to the non-bolted value", not 30$ in total.

That makes sense. My claim is that it's worth at least 100$ bolt modded and in good condition. The Teensy is 20$, so that brings it to 120$, plus "labor" associated with conversion being, say, another 20$, bringing it into the 130-150$ range.

BTW - the plain steel backplate also went through changes, so the chromate steel plate is not always the only indication. I have a May 1987 Model M, for example, that weighs almost a pound more than my 1996 Greenoch model. I believe the heavier models should weigh around 5.5lbs.

The heaviest 101-key M I own is my 1388032 which is one of the first ones they made. That one is 2.5 kg, I think that's as heavy as they come. Normal rainbow plate ones are 2.2 kg as I recall. Later IBM-made ones 2.0 kg. Unicomp 1.8 kg if I'm not mistaken.

What does an ANSI Monterey k108 cost nowadays? With "monterey blue" switches.

I bought this set of Cherry GMK "windowed" keycaps awhile ago but have no board or project to use them with. So, I'm now thinking of selling them to make space for new aquisitions.

Any ideas what a fair price might be for this set? BTW, the two phone receiver caps are slightly damaged/scratched.
Cheers.

Note on weight of various model M keyboards over time.
http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/

Clicky, do you have a 1388032 as well? I don't have a balance accurate to two decimal digits to weigh mine, but it seems to be around 2.5 kg.

I have been meaning to re-run the analysis and adding more data points. I have since added a few very early 1985 and 1986 original IBM keyboards to the archive and some recent 21st-century Made by Unicomps. I am working on reorganizing my workshop and tools this weekend, but I will examine one of the 1388032 that I have and post some thickness and weight measurements in the next few days.

Having gone through restoring thousands of model M keyboards, there are small but significant differences among the quality of materials that were used in model M keyboards over the design period and I am always happy to uncover an early model M with a thicker chromate-covered? plate and distraught when I find one that was made with cheaper "metal".

Unfortunately, most average people probably don't care and it is sometimes hard to encourage even the mechanical keyboard audience to appreciate the finer details and the costs of time and restoration work in finding authentic matching original IBM parts like key caps and ensuring that the keys have the exact matching font-width, font-color, and font-placement.

clickykeyboards wrote: I have been meaning to re-run the analysis and adding more data points. I have since added a few very early 1985 and 1986 original IBM keyboards to the archive and some recent 21st-century Made by Unicomps. I am working on reorganizing my workshop and tools this weekend, but I will examine one of the 1388032 that I have and post some thickness and weight measurements in the next few days.

Having gone through restoring thousands of model M keyboards, there are small but significant differences among the quality of materials that were used in model M keyboards over the design period and I am always happy to uncover an early model M with a thicker chromate-covered? plate and distraught when I find one that was made with cheaper "metal".

Unfortunately, most average people probably don't care and it is sometimes hard to encourage even the mechanical keyboard audience to appreciate the finer details and the costs of time and restoration work in finding authentic matching original IBM parts like key caps and ensuring that the keys have the exact matching font-width, font-color, and font-placement.

Thanks, really looking forward to that. I've always found these changes over time very interesting ^^ . And of course you're in a perfect position to document that with Model Ms .

I would measure weight without cable, if possible, on SDL M variants.

We did that already when we posted the original content in 2013.

http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/

It is important to note both the weight of the model M keyboard as a part assembly (without cable) and the model M keyboard as a unit (including cable). Model M keyboards are not wireless and the cable is an important part to make it functional as a computer input device (and not as a pretty doorstop).

clickykeyboards wrote: We did that already when we posted the original content in 2013.

Right, I remember looking at this. If you start adding the 1388032 then a cross section of all indy M's should be added for comparison otherwise it's not completely informative.