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Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 18:17
by seebart
never seen anything like it, very interesting! Both look heavy.
Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 00:04
by beltet
seebart wrote:
never seen anything like it, very interesting! Both look heavy.
Thats an ABC computer and a ABC keyboard. Specifically ABC 800 and ABC 77. Not that uncommon in Sweden. But I have never owned one my self. See if I can afford these two. I'm quite interested in those and have a look at them.
Source:
http://pc-museum.com/luxor/index.htm
Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 02:32
by Daniel Beardsmore
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BELLA-Ge ... 71859.html
For anyone who wants to explore Omron switches: switches combined with a confirmed part number, B3G-S100N (one of the known part numbers in the B3G-S series).
Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 19:41
by Hypersphere
Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 19:42
by scottc
Hah, that's our friendly salesman Ellipse right there. I recognise the picture.
Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 19:53
by seebart
well he is more likely going to get his prices there than here...
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 00:17
by idollar
The good news is that now we know that the 4704 have the third type of flipper. (reference
here)
The bad one is that if this keyboard sells at this price, it means that this planet is too crazy for me. I will need to go to a different one !
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 00:19
by dzhoou
7bit wrote: Ellipse asked snoopy's post to be deleted. This was my answer!
here is how to do it:
IBM F-77 for sale!*
1999,- EUR 50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale
Now only 999,- EUR! You save 1000 EUR!!!!
50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale
50% Sale 50% Sale 50% Sale
---------------------
*) Only slightly broken, can be ordered with replacement controller**
**) Only 9.95 EUR per month***
***) After 12 months: 39.95 EUR per month
No 50% sale for the likes of you.
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 03:34
by Ellipse
Personally this F77 of mine and my F107 keyboards have had two types of flippers - one with kind of a 1 mm "bump" on the side of the flipper that touches the PCB, and one without the bump that often appears to be of a shinier type plastic. A majority of the older Model F's have those with the bump. Though most of my PC AT's have flippers without the bump.
Not sure if the type of flipper makes much of a difference in the sound. I think the weight of the materials making up the inner assembly, the condition of the foam, and the date of manufacture (earlier=pingier for the most part IME) have more to do with the sound of the keyboard.
seebart - I think you're right. Most of the guys buying from my IBM collection are DT/GH members who seem to do a good deal of buying on eBay based on what I know, so they know and appreciate the "real" prices of what things sell for in a free market

And yes dzhoou, I always give DH and DT members discounts for outside of eBay transactions. Though 50% like you're saying there is a bit much!
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 09:30
by seebart
yes posibly you are right Ellipse! Much more interesting to me is that you are providing IBM keyboard insights, which you yourself recently said yours were too limited to contribute here! Not at all the case!
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 17:04
by Hypersphere
@Ellipse: Sorry you got badly flamed recently on GH. I chalk it up several things, including a lack of maturity, jealousy, and a naive sense of altruism that stems in part from a fundamental lack of understanding or appreciation for something approaching a free-market economy. In addition, it seems that some people's sense of ethics fails to take into account a person's right to do as he wishes with his property, as long as it does not harm or unduly hinder others. Whereas you can expect some good-natured tongue-in-cheek comments on your high-profile sales, you don't deserve the bitter ad hominem attacks that some have launched against you.
Good luck with your sales, and thanks for contributing to the preservation of some of the world's greatest vintage keyboards. We can surely expect that anyone who could pay such premiums would keep these prizes from falling into the hands of the recyclers who would crush them into rubble for the landfill.
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 17:13
by webwit
"I chalk it up several things, including a lack of maturity, jealousy, and a naive sense of altruism that stems in part from a fundamental lack of understanding or appreciation for something approaching a free-market economy."
Ironically you're countering a perceived ad hominem attack, with an ad hominem attack. Technically, this would make you susceptible to your own comments.

Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 18:00
by dzhoou
Hypersphere wrote: @Ellipse: Sorry you got badly flamed recently on GH. I chalk it up several things, including a lack of maturity, jealousy, and a naive sense of altruism that stems in part from a fundamental lack of understanding or appreciation for something approaching a free-market economy.
And which specific comments led you to that conclusion, mind if I ask?
So far I'm only seeing satirical comments on his sales pitch and pricing from a lot of DT members. That leads us to another question. Why only our friend Ellipse? Why not some other seller like elec or orihalcon? Because they are either sans the pitch, or the high pricing, or both.
If you think a free-market economy cannot contain a little satire for a high-profile, shrewd seller, then you're the one who's having issues.
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 18:56
by guk
http://www.ebay.de/itm/271751287724 Bondwell B200, supposedly MX Blues. 2hrs left.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/271748649363 Toshibar T5100 Alps DS
http://www.ebay.de/itm/361198364046 Compaq 11800 potentially cheap MX Browns
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Data911-RoboVu- ... 0936348764
red backlit MX Black board. Not bad if you're located in the US I guess.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321650714366 Lexmark made and branded SSK
http://www.ebay.de/itm/301504413453 No clue, oracle hasn't replied yet. But I like its looks.
www.ebay.de/itm/281576308551 No idea either.
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 19:13
by ramnes
Vintage blues... Tempting...
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 19:32
by snoopy
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 19:34
by guk
There are already two DT members after that one, it's in the german section.

Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 20:24
by ramnes
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 20:48
by andrewjoy
i love G84s ! i dunno if shipping is worth it tho
Posted: 26 Jan 2015, 21:00
by gogusrl
I should mention I got a hookup for a few NIB G84-4400LPBUS-0 at ~20 EUR each if anyone is actually interested.
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 00:35
by ramnes
ramnes wrote:
Vintage blues... Tempting...
No one took it?

Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 00:51
by guk
Suprised by that, too. Especially since those usually sell for way more. Maybe it will be relisted.
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 14:22
by ramnes
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 14:22
by seebart
dzhoou wrote: Hypersphere wrote: @Ellipse: Sorry you got badly flamed recently on GH. I chalk it up several things, including a lack of maturity, jealousy, and a naive sense of altruism that stems in part from a fundamental lack of understanding or appreciation for something approaching a free-market economy.
And which specific comments led you to that conclusion, mind if I ask?
So far I'm only seeing satirical comments on his sales pitch and pricing from a lot of DT members. That leads us to another question. Why only our friend Ellipse? Why not some other seller like elec or orihalcon? Because they are either sans the pitch, or the high pricing, or both.
If you think a free-market economy cannot contain a little satire for a high-profile, shrewd seller, then you're the one who's having issues.
that works both ways dzhoou. The seller should also be able to take criticism of his sales. MInd you a few of those (mine) "satirical comments" were not meant satirical at all! I don`t follow GH so I cannot comment on that.
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 14:25
by Ratfink
3 IBM System/23 Datamasters. Local pickup only; does anyone live near San Francisco?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5322-System ... 43d66580e7
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 14:28
by kbdfr
Ratfink wrote: […] does anyone live near San Francisco? […]
As far as I know, quite a few million people do.
But of course not all of them read here

Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 17:46
by ramnes
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 18:22
by spopepro
I do. While I realize that the /23 is the first F, how usable are these keyboards?
Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 18:39
by Muirium
Looks like a whole lot of bother for 3 filthy XT style boards with a ton of baggage…

Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 20:09
by andrewjoy
if you lived close it would be worth it for the higher quality old caps and spare flippers and stuff just take the assembly out and junk em
not worth shipping tho
i guess you could remove the CRT and floppy drives and mod in a modern widescreen LCD for a retro look all in one

even put a mac mini in there for a iMac like experience.
gah dont tempt yourself
