Btw is sprit1 the designer of the board (I believe BeastMask designed FaceU)?
Also since this is a modified board (ISO support) does copyright apply?
If I was to design a 60% PCB with ANSI+ISO+WinKey+WinKeyless+whatever with ATmega32 with pokerII mount compatibility,
would I have Sprit1, KBC, KBT, Vortex, the GH60 team and every other person that has designed a 60% pcb, on my back
claiming copyright because there is a lot of similarity except a few traces (since the switches are in std positions)??
If there is indeed an issue with the DESIGNERS of the board, this GB should stop, else go on full throttle!
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 21:32
by maxrunner
So no new news?
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 22:06
by Muirium
Weigh the anchor!
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 22:34
by quantalume
DanielT wrote: And the first post to be like that ? I think there are better ways to settle such things. This is a gentlemen club
Precisely. Gentlemen settle their disputes honorably. Who has the pistols?
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 22:46
by Broadmonkey
I think there is a bit of misconception regarding the "piracy" issue of the PCBs. The part that is supposedly pirated is the actual PCB design meaning traces, choice of components, placement of said components and the actual work of putting it all together. The form factor (60%, 75%, TKL or whatever) along with the layout and placement of the switches (winkey, winkeyless, short right shift etc.) has nothing to do with it. It's actually a lot of work designing the actual hardware (PCB) and not the layout of switch placements.
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 23:05
by sprit1
Just putting common parts, looks similar, seems identical?
If the supports may cut for the pirated unproven Taobao PCBs?
Making a dead-copy, and calling it a Replica, The Taobao Seller will help us?
MX-mini was a sole creation years ago.
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 23:35
by chzel
I am not sure I understand you Sprit.
Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 23:38
by scottc
Neither do I.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 00:34
by Dubsgalore
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 00:36
by chzel
Sprit, is ps2avru open source or not???
Are you the designer of FaceU and/or MXmini?
"Just putting common parts, looks similar, seems identical?"
Spoiler:
Let's have an example of a 60% board.
You place your switches in their std locations in every permutation you want (ansi iso wkl wk etc)
where do you place the controller? - where there is space(bar) .
what controller? - ATmega32 seems to be the de facto standard.
what model? - what works with your firmware.
what components? - I will go out on a limb and say "datasheet implementation" (not too many parts though,1n4148s', an xtal or osc, couple of decoupling caps, couple of resistors...want backlight? throw a mosfet or two in the mix.)
what remains? traces and firmware.
traces are not that hard...such a layout on a double sided pcb is almost fully autoroutable...
see??? I designed a board with common parts, looking similar enough...and if I was lucky enough I could make it almost IDENTICAL to yours without ever copying it.
Firmware...that's where the magic happens.
Piracy -might- be considered wrong...but in this case it seems to me that you are more interested in protecting your GB over at GH, rather than copyright and whatnot.
Especially considering your sudden interest in DT and that half your posts are on this thread, and the other half is to promote your spring GB.
If this GB falls through, I will probably get a pcb from TaoBao just for ethical reasons.
Just my point of view.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 00:40
by scottc
chzel wrote: Piracy -might- be considered wrong...but in this case it seems to me that you are more interested in protecting your GB over at GH, rather than copyright and whatnot.
Especially considering your sudden interest in DT and that half your posts are on this thread, and the other half is to promote your spring GB.
chzel wrote:
If this GB falls through, I will probably get a pcb from TaoBao just for ethical reasons.
Just my point of view.
Same here! I hope that tinnie doesn't have to cancel this, though. I think that the plates are all done...
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 00:51
by chzel
I don't see a problem with the plates!
Unless someone has copyrighted the cutouts!
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 00:58
by scottc
Yeah, but it will be a pain for tinnie if some people don't want a plate without a PCB...
Re: Face U/MX-mini U replica, acrylic/alu plate, KEEP ORDERI
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 01:05
by Zentaaa
chzel wrote:Sprit, is ps2avru open source or not???
Are you the designer of FaceU and/or MXmini?
"Just putting common parts, looks similar, seems identical?"
Spoiler:
Let's have an example of a 60% board.
You place your switches in their std locations in every permutation you want (ansi iso wkl wk etc)
where do you place the controller? - where there is space(bar) .
what controller? - ATmega32 seems to be the de facto standard.
what model? - what works with your firmware.
what components? - I will go out on a limb and say "datasheet implementation" (not too many parts though,1n4148s', an xtal or osc, couple of decoupling caps, couple of resistors...want backlight? throw a mosfet or two in the mix.)
what remains? traces and firmware.
traces are not that hard...such a layout on a double sided pcb is almost fully autoroutable...
see??? I designed a board with common parts, looking similar enough...and if I was lucky enough I could make it almost IDENTICAL to yours without ever copying it.
Firmware...that's where the magic happens.
Piracy -might- be considered wrong...but in this case it seems to me that you are more interested in protecting your GB over at GH, rather than copyright and whatnot.
Especially considering your sudden interest in DT and that half your posts are on this thread, and the other half is to promote your spring GB.
If this GB falls through, I will probably get a pcb from TaoBao just for ethical reasons.
Just my point of view.
Just wondering how will you get a pcb from taobao i cant read chinese xD
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 03:21
by sprit1
OK! Guys, Let's get to the Point! - The Concept of Metal, Water, SiO2 is Not Private.
- This PCB calls 'FaceU Replica' : a dead-copy Taobao Piracy stuff
- This PCB is pirating "The Open source Hardware' Agreement and it's Logo
- It's prirating All the efforts, Ideas, and Achievements of the GH and DT members http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50580.0
- No guarantee on necessary supports for the People by the Taobao seller.
(Added)
- The part of the Firmware is open-source based, but not all the Softwares.
- And this has been declared from the begining.
This is for the community members who are willing to work together to share the benefits, Not for the dead-copy Pirates.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 03:41
by maxrunner
Will you sell these at dt with good prices?
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 04:23
by spopepro
I come from the audio world where people like Nelson Pass will nearly tell you how to build what he sells... So much of this seems silly.
But.
Using the FaceU and MX-Mini names is surely a mistake. Call it something else, say it's like or inspired by one of those designs and you're ok. Putting the name on there without permission seems to imply an attempt to piggy back on a brand. The use of the open hardware logo is more problematic. If that's true, then surely someone can point me towards the gerber files so I can review them. If so, then all is fair. If not... that's a real serious problem, and it's probably refund time unless changes are made.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 08:44
by Findecanor
But these aren't just inspired, are they, they are direct copies of the circuit design?
Anyway.... Red Scarf II > Face U. If that GB just could get going...
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 08:48
by matt3o
no they are not actually copies.
anyway I talked with Tinnie on IRC and he has some good news. so everybody calms down
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 09:06
by DanielT
I'm calm
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 09:40
by tinnie
Talked to the original creator(showjean/winkeyless.kr). Paid a fee and he's cool with that now. I'll show the proof on request.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 09:45
by matt3o
tinnie let me know if you need some funds to cover the fees. I must say that tinnie managed this like a sir.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 09:57
by DanielT
Yes Tinnie, if you need funds to cover the fees I'm in, just have to say the word As one of the first to jump on this boat I'm more than happy do to this!
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 10:07
by Medowy
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 10:45
by macmakkara
DanielT wrote: Yes Tinnie, if you need funds to cover the fees I'm in, just have to say the word As one of the first to jump on this boat I'm more than happy do to this!
Echo
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 14:38
by sprit1
tinnie wrote: Talked to the original creator(showjean/winkeyless.kr). Paid a fee and he's cool with that now. I'll show the proof on request.
So, at last All the Pirates acknowledge and trying to solve this? Would You please show the results for us? :
- This PCB calls 'FaceU, MX-mini Replica' : a dead-copy Taobao Piracy stuff without any previous agreement
How about these issue? :
- This PCB is pirating "The Open source Hardware' Agreement and it's Logo
- It's prirating All the efforts, Ideas, and Achievements of the GH and DT members http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50580.0
- No guarantee on necessary supports for the People by the Taobao seller.
- It will Never be tolerated pirating W versions of PCBs.
Do The Pirates admit this?
(Added)
- The part of the Firmware is open-source based, but not all the Softwares.
- And this has been declared from the begining.
This is for the community members who are willing to work together to share the benefits, Not for the dead-copy Pirates.
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 14:59
by Medowy
Just because this group buy is doing better than your services that doesn't mean you have to come here and accuse tinnie (or someone else) of pirating.
Issue has been resolved (atleast for my knowledge)
Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 15:01
by Muirium
Next time: slap a CLOSED SOURCE logo on it, for clarity.
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