[SHIPPING] Granite Set ~ 100% PBT ~ Dye Sub ~ DSA

[matt3o]

base kits regulate the shipping cost. smaller kits add +$1-2 each.

prices in USA are always (most of the times) VAT excluded. VAT is added at the cashier.

[scottc]

prices in USA are always (most of the times) VAT excluded. VAT is added at the cashier.

Wait, so the quoted prices don't include VAT? What a ridiculous system they use...

[Muirium]

Yeah, add 20% plus whatever local customs charges for handling on top of your order. As you'll have to pay this when it arrives. Or you'll never get it!

[matt3o]

prices in USA are always (most of the times) VAT excluded. VAT is added at the cashier.

Wait, so the quoted prices don't include VAT? What a ridiculous system they use...

You don't pay American VAT, only your country's

[scottc]

oh okay, panic over. sorry!

[Vierax]

It means that you approximately have USD = EUR if you have to add VAT.

It's normal to exclude VAT in an international shipping since the custom auth will apply it at your country rate. This excludes the Eurozone with the Schengen treaty.
If you change your country in pimpmykb account to USA, in a normal way you should see that there is an extra line with VAT.

[drrtyrokka]

Yea, I know I will have to pay the ordinary 19% taxes like in germany for everything. But if the price with shipping is over 150 euro i will have to pay an additional fee for importing, so another 10-15% on top of the 19%... thats quite much...´Really want to avoid that´.

[Muirium]

7bit's proxying work is a real pain, but it's a big winner too, for all of us over here in Europe.

Where's this American VAT line anyway? I entered an American address and see no such thing. Also there is no federal VAT in the US. Just state and local sales taxes, which vary a lot. Zero in many places like Nevada and Texas…

[scottc]

Right, hadn't taken that into account. It's rare that I need to import things from the US...

It means that you approximately have USD = EUR if you have to add VAT.

Ouch...

[matt3o]

7bit's proxying work is a real pain, but it's a big winner too, for all of us over here in Europe.

Where's this American VAT line anyway? I entered an American address and see no such thing. Also there is no federal VAT in the US. Just state and local sales taxes, which vary a lot. Zero in many places like Nevada and Texas…

try to select CA or WA, you'll see VAT popping up (because it's State vat as you say)

[Muirium]

Odd, my account is set to a friend's address in California, but no line…

[Vierax]

If there is no federal VAT, it means that price it still remains without VAT and US customers have to calculate them if they aren't in the same state. The eurozone is easier to customers.

With those additional fees, it may be great to have a EU proxy, as 7bit does. I have to investigate what are custom fees in France since I'm at more than 400 usd in my cart :S
I already made little orders from China and I never had to pay any VAT or fees so I assume there is a minimum declared amount. I think the declared amount doesn't include shipping price, only the raw value of the items.

[matt3o]

honestly, do we care?

[Muirium]

It's money, of course we do! I'm trying my best just to squeeze this GB.

With those additional fees, it may be great to have a EU proxy, as 7bit does. I have to investigate what are custom fees in France since I'm at more than 400 usd in my cart :S
I already made little orders from China and I never had to pay any VAT or fees so I assume there is a minimum declared amount. I think the declared amount doesn't include shipping price, only the raw value of the items.

Yes, that is definitely the case here. And £15 value is the all important trigger.

[Vierax]

Right, hadn't taken that into account. It's rare that I need to import things from the US...

It means that you approximately have USD = EUR if you have to add VAT.

Ouch...

As you say it's violent : including the change rate (paypal is greedy) and 20% VAT (more or less in Europe countries) you finally may have something like this EUR/USD 1.37 rate.

[Vierax]

honestly, do we care?

It may worth to have an EU proxy, saving money, adding more stuffs in your order for the same price you had before and maybe lowering prices again.

[drrtyrokka]

honestly, do we care?

Honestly I would order more sets, if there wouldn't be the extra fee. But if I see that I can't stay under the 150€ at the end of the GB I will definitely order more. The ones I ordered now are have to ones and if the prices don't fall, I don't care anymore (will probably add lost+found and monolegend+ int monolegend) ;P

[Muirium]

honestly, do we care?

It may worth to have an EU proxy, saving money, adding more stuffs in your order for the same price you had before and maybe lowering prices again.

Exactly. The first thing adding taxes and customs randomness on top is drive me to cut the living crap out of my order. Which makes it worse for everyone. Negative feedback loop!

[matt3o]

I mean do we care how VAT is calculated in US!?

Having a proxy in EU may work, if you find a country that doesn't add too much taxes (so not UK nor DE apparently)

[Muirium]

It's 19 or 20% everywhere in the EU, I think. So not much difference. But Germany has better shipping than we do.

[matt3o]

It's 19 or 20% everywhere in the EU, I think. So not much difference. But Germany has better shipping than we do.

I thought you said you may have to pay up to £40 in customs tax + 20%

[Muirium]

Yes, that's technically just a holding charge that you pay them for the bother of inspecting your stuff. (And I have never seen the formula. It may well go higher still.) The actual tax they charge is almost the same everywhere in Europe.

Any EU proxy would minimise fees by combining many people's smaller orders. But tax is tax.

[7bit]

15% in Luxemburg.

[Muirium]

I almost joked that there would be a loophole somewhere! Any DTers there? You'll make a lot of friends.

[matt3o]

Okay. I did some research. Every country have different rules, but the formula is more or less the following:

If value is very (very) low you may pay nothing.

If value is low (in Italy less than €150 same as Germany) you pay a small handling fee (that in Italy is €5.50) + country VAT.

If value is under approx €1000 you pay custom taxes + handling fee + VAT. customs tax varies based on typology of the goods. I have a HUGE list of all typologies and it's close to impossible to understand where keycaps fall into, but my best guess is that custom taxes should be around 6%

If value is over €1000 (may vary) is like the above but handling fee doubles (in Italy €11).

[Muirium]

Yeah, love these inscrutable beurocracies. Here's Britain's:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/cus ... edures.htm

Note how circular the website is. Try as you might, you'll never actually find answers. Just links to links to links.

Seems that £2000 value is a threshold requiring different forms. But the tax rate? Doesn't say. Thats not how these guys operate.

[matt3o]

yeah same here.

Say we order $1000 in keycaps with say $100 of shipping we should end up paying around €1106.34 (+/- 2%). Considering 5 merged orders it's €222+shipping to you.

If I had to buy it directly, it would be around €217 (considering $25 shipping).

You need a very large order and a very low tax country to be really worth the effort.

[drrtyrokka]

matt3o, since you published your blender mx 3d, the orders are raising frequently (especially for the icons)...
you did a really nice work with this.
Yesterday I looked a bit around in blender and found it quite difficult to create anything

[Muirium]

Oh yeah, I meant to ask you for the file so I can play with it too! That would be sweet.

[matt3o]

let me clean it up first It's my first blender model and I'm a bit ashamed of the mess