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Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 23:47
by vivalarevolución
seebart wrote: This has little or nothing to do with Paris or this thread but it's great. Have a look at this it's about Trumps use of language:

http://www.nerdcore.de/2015/12/31/trumps-language/
When I would try to check my mail on yahoo.fr, there were a couple articles on Trump, so I'll consider it relevant. Interesting analysis.

Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 23:58
by seebart
Apparently he's not as "stupid" as many believe. Of course it's just a slightly modified version of the plain old sales pitch. Tell the voters what they want to hear and keep it simple.

He's also being "sampled" now:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-shabab-t ... nda-video/

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 00:22
by Muirium
He's a dangerous one. A salesman, a showman, independently financed, self entitled rich kid, boundlessly narcissistic, and a knee-jerk fascist… for the moment. I can easily see him winning the election this year. If he does, it'll be another rough ride for the world ahead. Because making foreign policy is the one thing a US President can actually do without making friends in Congress.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 00:33
by seebart
Muirium wrote: He's a dangerous one.
I'm convinced of that too by now. A salesman above all with an edge. I could see a lot of "frustrated" republicans voting Trump.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 00:46
by Muirium
He's doing just the right things to win:
  • He's running for one of the major parties (unlike his fellow billionaire Ross Perot who got millions to vote for him but never had a chance in a 2 party system).
  • He's hogging all the media attention, stifling his competitors, and setting the whole agenda.
  • He's balls to the wall rightwing, for now, to appeal to Republican primary voters.
That's a long way towards winning the Republican nomination. His weaknesses are that his fellow Republican politicians hate his guts — he doesn't play by their rules, and doesn't need their alliance or their money, which is infuriating! — and that he's still a big city conservative. He doesn't feel a natural fit to rural evangelical voters, who don't like his lifestyle or his morals. If he loses the nomination, it'll be because someone else beats him round the head with a bible.

As for the election in November: he has a chance. Hillary will stitch up the Democratic nomination in no time — sorry Bernie Sanders fans! — but she's much less of an ideal candidate than those of us in the liberal west imagine. Lots of Clinton baggage really turns off vital swing voters. Plenty of American women will gladly vote for sexist scumbag Trump over Hillary! No matter how much we furrow our brows in amazement abroad…

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 00:56
by seebart
Right and Hillary has a lot of old nasty baggage, too much actually. Another fact on Turmp; he's got nothing to loose. G.W Bush might have been able to beat Trump but his brother is way too lame and tame.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 01:15
by Muirium
Exactly. Billionaires have run for president before — Ross Perot got 8 million votes on his second shot in 1996, and won precisely zero states! — but striding right into the big boys clubhouse was a smart, as well as ballsy, move on Trump's part. Besides his big city rich kid image, he's a great fit for the Republicans. Everything he does to upset liberals only makes him better. He's George W dialled up to 11. He even does his own social media. Pretty advanced for a conservative!

But as for what he actually believes… who knows? I doubt he's a lamb in wolf's clothing. But there's no telling how much of his own horseshit he actually swallows. He knows how to lie and not apologise. Business and politics require it, and he's made that shamelessness part of his blowhard brand.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 01:28
by photekq
seebart wrote: Apparently he's not as "stupid" as many believe. Of course it's just a slightly modified version of the plain old sales pitch. Tell the voters what they want to hear and keep it simple.
You can call Trump many things but you certainly can't call him stupid :lol:
Muirium wrote: Because making foreign policy is the one thing a US President can actually do without making friends in Congress.
As far as foreign policy goes, him wanting to get out of Syria and him not being Hillary are both very good things in my book.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 01:34
by Muirium
I thought you might quite like him! The trouble is that anyone as ballsy as him is very likely to find kicking off a whole brand new war irresistible. Who knows who he'd take on? There's plenty more hornet's nests around the world for the US to poke its mighty wang deep inside, like W did in Iraq.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 06:34
by photekq
Muirium wrote: I thought you might quite like him! The trouble is that anyone as ballsy as him is very likely to find kicking off a whole brand new war irresistible. Who knows who he'd take on? There's plenty more hornet's nests around the world for the US to poke its mighty wang deep inside, like W did in Iraq.
I don't like him. I just dislike him less than I do the other candidates! :lol:

That's true. Who knows what he'll do? I just know that I find his statements on Syria and Russia (the area where I think American foreign policy is the worst at the moment) highly intelligible. I also know that Clinton is no less risky when it comes to the potential future of America's foreign policy. Just look at some of the wars she helped create in the past.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 06:59
by elecplus
I notice the Americans are keeping quiet here. Anyways, this is not a political forum, it is for KEYBOARDS! Can we please go back on topic, or at least move this mess to Off-Topic, where it belongs?

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 07:25
by photekq
elecplus wrote: I notice the Americans are keeping quiet here. Anyways, this is not a political forum, it is for KEYBOARDS! Can we please go back on topic, or at least move this mess to Off-Topic, where it belongs?
You can't just bring up Trump and expect things to not take a turn!

Thanks seebart :evil:

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 15:49
by seebart
This whole thread is off topic Cindy! No photekq, I like reading your political insights now that your at university. :evilgeek:

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 16:57
by ramnes
seebart wrote: This whole thread forum is off topic Cindy!
FTFY

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 17:18
by Muirium
One thing I like about Trump: Dick Cheney hates his guts. Usually, that's a good sign of character. But in this case I'm not so sure!

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 17:32
by vivalarevolución
elecplus wrote: I notice the Americans are keeping quiet here. Anyways, this is not a political forum, it is for KEYBOARDS! Can we please go back on topic, or at least move this mess to Off-Topic, where it belongs?
Well, the constant media attention to Trump is annoying, and I don't want to discuss it anymore than I already am subjected to it. Trump is doing a great job of revealing a very negative, hateful vocal part of American society, and I find it slightly embarrassing that we still have tens of millions of people thinking this way.

Anyways, I enjoyed my trip to France and was very impressed with the infrastructure, the amount of bicyclists, food, history, the people I met, and, most of all, the roundabouts. I love roundabouts. Except the one around the Arc de Triomphe, that roundabout was unpleasantly clogged with tourists.

Posted: 03 Jan 2016, 19:12
by seebart
I understand what you mean vivalarevolución, but the trumpet guy does not represent the USA in any way, at least not to me. Glad you liked France, try Germany next time. ;)