deskthority

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 19:47**

matt3o wrote:people seem not to like 1.5 + 1 + 1.5. That mod variant sends their brains in division by zero and they can't type anymore.

1.5-1.25-1.5 is nice. The Apple Extended II feels right.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 19:58**

snoopy wrote:
matt3o wrote:just one thing... do we all agree on ISO?
yes!!!! this is what makes us different from gh

That's far from the only thing! Diversity!

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 19:58**

matt3o wrote:
Ichigo87 wrote:
people seem not to like 1.5 + 1 + 1.5. That mod variant sends their brains in division by zero and they can't type anymore.

I like it

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:01**

Some ISO would be cool. Its not because of being different....but some people (like me) grew up with that damn layout and dont want to give up on it.....just because of majority > minority. And honestly, there is sooo much epic keyboard stuff already available....but most in ANSI only. So in case there is no huge "profit-pressure" behind this project, why not make a nice ISO board?

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:12**

profit-pressure?

are you kidding?!

this might be it:

what I don't like:
- 0.5 gap on the arrow cluster, 0.25 gap on the Function cluster
- function keys rows don't match

apart from that it's pretty nice.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:22**

you don't have to touch type function row so with spherical it could be nice to have only SA R3 or DSA. I love it (1.5/1/1.5 is prettier but i can live without it)

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:23**

matt3o wrote:profit-pressure?

are you kidding?!

You never know.

matt3o wrote: what I don't like:
- 0.5 gap on the arrow cluset, 0.25 gap on the Function cluster
- function keys rows don't match

apart from that it's pretty nice.

What about the mx-mini bottom row: 1.5 - 1.5 - 7.0 - 1.5 - 1.5 - 1 - 1 - 1

....no gaps

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:28**

with no gaps we could do:

1.25, 1.25, 1.25 6.25 1 1 1 1 1 1

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:29**

So understand 6.25 space is set in stone?

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:33**

There are other options on the small side too:

I'm exploring these.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:34**

But the gap is a nice indicator where the mods end and the arrows begin.

0.5 is indeed pretty wide for that, 0.25 would be better. It could be done with 1.25 - 1 - 1.25 - 7 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 1 - 1 - 1
But that would have a 1x win key again (which I have no problem with).

Also I don't really get why you'd want the function keys on the left side instead at the top. I'd also be missing F11 and F12...

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:36**

Symmetry. Especially for a TKL. Makes a much smaller keyboard, too. Those rows add up in weight more than columns in a wedge.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:39**

matt3o wrote:
mohitgarg wrote:This project looks good and can integrate with this project of mine on GH: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48326.50

Blox is more PCB oriented and creating a modular system, however the findings can be used, and the PCB designs as well, so to satisfy the need for different layouts.
impressive project, thanks for the heads up, it's really hard to find interesting threads on GH due to the excessive noise. Indeed I lost your Blox project.

I'm just a quite practical guy. As soon as the GB starts I want things to move very quickly. See for example the GH60 project... oh boy! So I prefer a CNC'd PCB to a super fancy one if that means 2 months ETA instead of 1 year

Anyway I'm following your project, this GB is more for the case than for the PCB, so if the two projects are compatible and you can keep up with the fast pace that would be great!

As soon as the prototyping phase is finished I'll post on GH too of course.

EDIT: also please note that the PCB will look something like this http://casperelectronics.com/wp-content ... better.jpg

Hahaha, you miss most of my threads

Anywho, yes, my project is a little impractical maybe, too early to say, but atleast we can get a generic PCB design sort of thingy.

I think PCBWing is excellent for our sized orders

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:43**

as for base plate (or maybe case) what about copper or brass??

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:43**

matt3o wrote:with no gaps we could do:

1.25, 1.25, 1.25 6.25 1 1 1 1 1 1

oh no, please not so many 1x mods

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:47**

BimboBB wrote:
What about the mx-mini bottom row: 1.5 - 1.5 - 7.0 - 1.5 - 1.5 - 1 - 1 - 1

....no gaps

I also would prefer the mx mini bottom row or kmac mini bottom row

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:50**

everything you want but we should at least keep a little gap, this is one of the best part of this layout

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:56**

matt3o wrote: this might be it:

what I don't like:
- 0.5 gap on the arrow cluster, 0.25 gap on the Function cluster
- function keys rows don't match

apart from that it's pretty nice.

Dont know if you have seen this:

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 20:59**

The H7 kit would not fit the rows of a 60% height board.
The R3 kit is probably the closest you can get.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 21:05**

Round 5's mods are mostly row 3 anyway…

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 21:06**

Ah yes. Maybe 7bit can add one more tiny set.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 21:46**

rindorbrot wrote:But the gap is a nice indicator where the mods end and the arrows begin.

0.5 is indeed pretty wide for that, 0.25 would be better. It could be done with 1.25 - 1 - 1.25 - 7 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 1 - 1 - 1
But that would have a 1x win key again (which I have no problem with).

Also I don't really get why you'd want the function keys on the left side instead at the top. I'd also be missing F11 and F12...

I believe the solution I like most is 1.5 - 1 - 1.5. We will have the version with Function rows to the top as well.

Ichigo87 wrote:everything you want but we should at least keep a little gap, this is one of the best part of this layout

I agree on this

BimboBB wrote:
matt3o wrote: this might be it:

what I don't like:
- 0.5 gap on the arrow cluster, 0.25 gap on the Function cluster
- function keys rows don't match

apart from that it's pretty nice.
Dont know if you have seen this:

I know but we can't rely on just R5 (which actually we don't have yet)

BimboBB wrote:Ah yes. Maybe 7bit can add one more tiny set.

yeah! more sets!

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:12**

As JD said in another thread, Acrylic plate sucks and PC plate must be more expensive than alu plate.

From what I observed, SA family F-row profile is rarely Row3 except HONEY/F1TOF12/R3 and SPH leftovers : it's Row1 in Round 5 and the Commando profile (used everywhere else) which is not easy to type on columns

Another option I'm thinking for myself is a 4×3 block

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F1 F2  F3  F4
F5 F6  F7  F8
F9 F10 F11 F12

but it's more something to do with an external device like a sort of numpad.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:14**

My Round 4 SPH function row is all row 3. (I'd prefer it to be row 1, all the way back there on a standard keyboard at least.)

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:15**

Vierax wrote:As JD said in another thread, Acrylic plate sucks and PC plate must be more expensive than alu plate.

From what I observed, SA family F-row profile is rarely Row3 except HONEY/F1TOF12/R3 and SPH leftovers : it's Row1 in Round 5 and the Commando profile (used everywhere else) which is not easy to type on columns

as for base plate (or maybe case) what about copper or brass??

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:16**

Can we laser cut copper or brass?

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:22**

Mx-mini exist even with 6.25 spacebar, not only 7

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:26**

Since they are softer than steel, a CNC or a lasercut must be possible. Copper is rare so it's expensive. Brass is too soft, it will scratch and I don't know if there is some anodization possible like alu. Moreover, those two metal/alloys are louder than alu. The common point of those three solutions is that they don't rust they tarnish : their oxidation gives a protecting layer instead (what we called "patina" in decoration) But some people won't like this ageing since the colour changes.

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:33**

I only mentioned copper or brass because I thought it wound look different (cool) for a bare bones keyboard and a change from alu / steel (although we could paint steel or chrome it !)

Posted: **20 Feb 2014, 22:35**

matt3o wrote:
rindorbrot wrote:But the gap is a nice indicator where the mods end and the arrows begin.

0.5 is indeed pretty wide for that, 0.25 would be better. It could be done with 1.25 - 1 - 1.25 - 7 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 1 - 1 - 1
But that would have a 1x win key again (which I have no problem with).

Also I don't really get why you'd want the function keys on the left side instead at the top. I'd also be missing F11 and F12...
I believe the solution I like most is 1.5 - 1 - 1.5. We will have the version with Function rows to the top as well.

Ichigo87 wrote:everything you want but we should at least keep a little gap, this is one of the best part of this layout
I agree on this

BimboBB wrote:
matt3o wrote: this might be it:

what I don't like:
- 0.5 gap on the arrow cluster, 0.25 gap on the Function cluster
- function keys rows don't match

apart from that it's pretty nice.
Dont know if you have seen this:

I know but we can't rely on just R5 (which actually we don't have yet)

BimboBB wrote:Ah yes. Maybe 7bit can add one more tiny set.
yeah! more sets!

I did only half-ways follow this, but the HONEY/F1TOF12/H7 kit is for the Hyper7 keyboard.

For Model-F-style layout:
F1, F2 exist in row 1 already.
F3, F4 do not yet exist in row 2.
F5, F6 do exist.
F7, F8 do not yet exist in row 4.
F9, F10 don't know if they should be row 3 (like bottom row) or row 4 again.

One option would be to add F3, F4 in row 2 and take the keys below F5,F6 from row 3.

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