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Goupil looks nice, but only because it's clean and has a well matching color combo. Tbh, though, I much prefer regular black on white. All those off white colors (in the yellow nuance) looks great on vintage keyboard, but on modern boards, they just look kind of yellowed, sorry to say it.

Maybe so on a black casebody. On the offwhite ones like Filco and etc I think they would look very nice.

I never noticed a white Filco is an off white and not a true white. You might be right, they could look mighty fine on such a board.

EDIT:
I created a mock up of each of the 4 sets in the poll for easier comparison and to get the DolSKI in the right font.

(Album here)

I know those are the 4 options but I think and that its closed but.....



That looks better than all of them and it's based on a classic set too, one so rare nobody has it! Black text, white keys and a classy function row. You could do a few function row colours in the set.



There was also some discussion about using arrow pointers, you notice the numpad about has roman numerals, what about those on the function row? Or am I going too far

you know, I'm a fan of anything retro I would get your layout in the time you say "keycap"... except for that windows key of course.

No italian means I'm out, sorry!

Grond wrote:No italian means I'm out, sorry!

<rant>
I'm Italian and I must say that the Italian layout is the silliest on planet (especially from a coder point of view). There are characters that you never ever use (how many times you used "ç" ?), not to mention the position of @ and the ridiculous amount of keys needed to make { and }... or the pound sterling symbol but for € you have to use altgr... gosh it makes no sense. I love the ISO enter but that layout sucks! (in fact I turned to ANSI and all I miss is the big return)
</rant>

I voted twice as I made a mistake the 1st time. Would prefer DolSKI. But regardless of the outcome, I will be in for a set.

1) keyboards are not meant only for coders (last time i need { was some years ago)
2) i think ES is fine for IT

Happy to pay extra for Italian keys. You never know when you may need em.

dirge wrote:Happy to pay extra for Italian keys. You never know when you may need em.

oh that's for sure. like I said in a previous post, I'm happy to support any language even if I don't use it. (actually I voted for ANSI+Italian in the poll).

Alright, then I'm not not out for the moment, but if Italian is not available, I'm sorry I won't be buying any other layout. I also think italian layout is silly in many ways, as I stated before in several posts. But, like it or not, that's the standard in my country and that's the layout I've been using to since I was a kid. It would be hard for me to switch to another now, specially because I'm not a coder – most of the time I use my keyboard to write text in italian, I need the accented letters and I like to find them where I'm used to. Thus, Spanish layout won't do. Of course I don't won't to burden this GB with extra costs for a layout no one is interested to, but other layouts are just not functional for me.

You know, you could always learn to touch-type

I think we just need the options and costs, if everyone just had to pay $1 so your set can happen then it should be done. If its $200 each then its too much.

if this GB doesn't happen I'd like to explore the feasibility of a PBT pad printed pan-european set (where everyone helps bringing down the cost of all layouts)

I'd also help and buy an Italian set (if it's not crazily expensive), just because you guys have a lot of fancy legends everywhere. I'd probably even use it, solely for that reason.

I'll buy nothing at all if Dolch doesn't win though. I'll just go and whine and never buy any more keycaps until someone runs a Handarbeit replica.

By the way, I'd love to have the French ":<" key included with all sets. Please do that.

aww, so cute

poor little sad French guy :<

lovely, btw

That's French mood.

German are more happy :

Ü

It depends of the price but i think i'll order some standard sets and french ones and try resell them after (25 ?).
On a long time i think i'll sell them quite well.

Gilgam wrote:It depends of the price but i think i'll order some standard sets and french ones and try resell them after (25 ?).
On a long time i think i'll sell them quite well.

Yeah, I could consider doing the same with Italian sets. But it heavily depends on the price! Gilgam, if the sets are about 60€ each, are you really investing 1500€ in keycaps?

Indeed
i haven't done the math yet
But it will be an investment, not just for me.
I just have to think twice about it.

Grond wrote:

Gilgam wrote:It depends of the price but i think i'll order some standard sets and french ones and try resell them after (25 ?).
On a long time i think i'll sell them quite well.

Yeah, I could consider doing the same with Italian sets. But it heavily depends on the price! Gilgam, if the sets are about 60€ each, are you really investing 1500€ in keycaps?

The problem is the 400 MOQ, to simply extend the regional pack from US/GB/DE/ES/SF to US/GB/DE/ES/SF/IT you need 6 caps to be multiplied by 400

We need French, Italian, Danish and Norwegian, that's just how it is.

I would like to offer it, but if a language adds 50% more to the set cost for 18 people to get some language is it really fair to everyone else? It is a problem with MOQ vs demand for an option. Nothing more.

It's fair if it's a small amount. If a set was $100 for 100 keys and 6 extra keys to cover languages was $6 who's going to complain? I mean you're still getting caps

Sure for some language that only need like 3 more keycap it is probably not going to be an issue. For some that needs like half the keyboard different... I think you can see what I am saying. Some things might return if it is not costly, but I just would rather start preparing for dissapointment early if it dosn't turn out that way. I'm pretty sure I said things would get cut for cost benefit that had too little demand pretty early on.

azerty really needs a lot of caps indeed.

25 (26 minus +=) keys different from ansi us.

Fucking french...

Hm, if this ends in ANSI and ISO compatible doubleshot sets I really want one. Almost regardless of colour. Also, UK layout would be an option if everything else fails.

Really looking forward to this.

Italian needs 7 extra keycaps to convert from spanish, 8 if you're anal. Are blanks available? If so, I may consider to buy a spanish set + 7 blank keycaps. The final result won't look great, but I guess no legends are better than wrong legends, and a compromise set is better than no set at all.

You can take the "£3" cap from UK set so is 6 caps left