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Mr.Nobody wrote:
Not neccessarily true... Most company keep the salaries of employees secret but not for selfish or evil reasons,

Huh? The preceding clause was:

"When goverments cover up something to general public,"

You impeach your credibility when you attempt to obfuscate. I have a finely-honed bullshit detector. Keep it direct and to the point.

fohat wrote:

Mr.Nobody wrote:
Not neccessarily true... Most company keep the salaries of employees secret but not for selfish or evil reasons,

Huh? The preceding clause was:

"When goverments cover up something to general public,"

You impeach your credibility when you attempt to obfuscate. I have a finely-honed bullshit detector. Keep it direct and to the point.

I said large organizations and government...you quoted that remember?

You said it is ALWAYS for selfish and evil reason otherwise no need to cover up. I used the compannies-keep-salaries-secret as an argument to disprove your contention. Unable to see the logic in it?

I would not otherwise weigh in on such a ridiculous topic, but I felt that it made sense to ask Tai-Hao themselves.

My contact there hasn't been with the company since the 1960s—I think he joined in the 90s—so the origin of the name may not be clear now. His reply was that Chinese pronunciation of "Tai-Hao" is quite similar to "very good", so that's the explanation that he's adopted (I've never asked him what he does there, but one site has him down as VP of sales). He seems to find this whole topic as absurd as I do.

Mr.Nobody wrote: […] Most company keep the salaries of employees secret but not for selfish or evil reasons, in fact it's good for management and interpersonal relationships.

I wonder how you can consider "good for management and interpersonal relationships" as "not selfish".

The only reason for keeping the salaries of employees secret is if the wage structure is unfair and its public disclosure would give raise to complaints - which can reasonably be assumed would be from employees with lower wages.
Ask them if they are more interested in good "management and interpersonal relationships" or in higher wages

The secrecy about wages is good for the company, not for its staff.
Keeping them secret couldn't be more selfish.

But well, you already expressed your paternalistic, authority obedient views when you justified censorship.

kbdfr wrote:

Mr.Nobody wrote: […] Most company keep the salaries of employees secret but not for selfish or evil reasons, in fact it's good for management and interpersonal relationships.

I wonder how you can consider "good for management and interpersonal relationships" as "not selfish".

The only reason for keeping the salaries of employees secret is if the wage structure is unfair and its public disclosure would give raise to complaints - which can reasonably be assumed would be from employees with lower wages.
Ask them if they are more interested in good "management and interpersonal relationships" or in higher wages

The secrecy about wages is good for the company, not for its staff.
Keeping them secret couldn't be more selfish.

But well, you already expressed your paternalistic, authority obedient views when you justified censorship.

If someone is makeing more money than you are , even though you think he deserves it but still you'll feel a little bit frustrated and jealous, this is human nature, whereas, the sense of fairness is quite subjective, "yeah that guy deserves a higher salary", but how much higher is fair, different people have different answers, if all salaries of employees are known to all, it will causes trouble for all...keeping it secret benefits not only the company but also employees ....generally it's a good and practicl policy before we figure out something better.

Daniel Beardsmore wrote: I would not otherwise weigh in on such a ridiculous topic, but I felt that it made sense to ask Tai-Hao themselves.

My contact there hasn't been with the company since the 1960s—I think he joined in the 90s—so the origin of the name may not be clear now. His reply was that Chinese pronunciation of "Tai-Hao" is quite similar to "very good", so that's the explanation that he's adopted (I've never asked him what he does there, but one site has him down as VP of sales). He seems to find this whole topic as absurd as I do.

Yes, it sounds similar to 太好（very good）if you have an accent or bad ears .then why just use 太好 as the brand name instead they had chosen 太豪? I don't give damn what he does there or what kind of VP of sales of what kind of obsecure site he is working for to make a living, but this "I don't know better but I don't want to admit you know better ,so I have to accuse you being absurd." strategy is too amature....Enlighten me, how could I be absurb by illustrating precisely the true meaning and undertone of Tai Hao?" You can ask your accented salesman friend this question next time you talk to him

Daniel Beardsmore wrote: I would not otherwise weigh in on such a ridiculous topic, but I felt that it made sense to ask Tai-Hao themselves.

My contact there hasn't been with the company since the 1960s—I think he joined in the 90s—so the origin of the name may not be clear now. His reply was that Chinese pronunciation of "Tai-Hao" is quite similar to "very good", so that's the explanation that he's adopted (I've never asked him what he does there, but one site has him down as VP of sales). He seems to find this whole topic as absurd as I do.

Interesting. Makes me wonder about OP even more. Of course it would never have remotely come into question for me to post something like this in my first month at DT.

Take it easy Mr.Nobody, don't go around insulting everybody that has a different opinion from you.
From what I understand you are better off than most people (either born in a wealthy family, or better connected, or a better "yes mister") in China, you have a massive ego and you seem to think you're better than the people here and this is a treacherous path.
Open your mind a bit, get off your high perch and start respecting your peers.
Seebart had you figured out early on, and he was 100% correct.
The mere fact that you managed to bring Daniel out of his lurking to post and managed to insult him in your next post is astonishing.
(BTW Daniel it's nice to have you back out of the shadows )
And yes Mr.Nobody, we tend to trust log-standing members way more than we do newbies with an attitude.

Felly already noted "I just cannot imagine why people discuss our brand name so seriously" and he's not intending to debate the matter. He is far more concerned that people pay attention to their product range than the name attached to it. I've pointed him in Chyros's direction, as keyboard reviews are his area. Considering how long they've been in this market it does disappoint me that we have very little understanding of their products outside of keycaps, but they will insist on using big ass enter!

Daniel Beardsmore wrote: Felly already noted "I just cannot imagine why people discuss our brand name so seriously" and he's not intending to debate the matter. He is far more concerned that people pay attention to their product range than the name attached to it. I've pointed him in Chyros's direction, as keyboard reviews are his area. Considering how long they've been in this market it does disappoint me that we have very little understanding of their products outside of keycaps, but they will insist on using big ass enter!

Possibly something good will come out of this for us in terms of Tai-Hao keyboard / switch information. This comes to mind:

photos-f62/tai-hao-th-5150-cat-t14811.h ... =tai%20hao

He's not an engineer, and all those keyboards go back to before he joined the company. I showed those photos to him at the time, but never came back with anything — I guess nobody remembers any more. Whatever it is, it's very obscure. (I've seen them on AliExpress, but in some keyboard underneath another and didn't recognise it as anything.) It's like how some Chicony keyboard mounting plates are stamped "Hosiden" but a Chicony keyboard with Hosiden switches has never been seen. Hosiden switches (presumably the same type) have since turned up elsewhere, but they were only identified because they're branded (hidden away on one of MouseFan's pages for years, as he forgot to add it to his switch page). Hosiden themselves remember absolutely nothing about them. No series name, nothing.

Even the history of APC switches seems to be forgotten. We already know that Himake were involved with the Aruz switch, and this explains why Himake AK and Tai-Hao APC are almost identical, but the details are already lost to time.

It's like how Marquardt seem to have no record of the Butterfly switch, not even its designation. (The real mystery is what my castrated white switch is supposed to be.)

The rule is very simple: so long as you are diligent in your efforts, you will be successful. You won't find what you were looking for, but you will make discoveries. The answers you seek often come out of the blue (such as getting the Micro Switch SD Series switch specifications via Bitsavers), while your own efforts tend to unearth the completely unexpected (such as finding General Instrument Series S950, the SKCC switch that isn't). So long as everyone tries to find something, they will.

Wow, I thought this thread was 7 pages on Tai-Hao, but it has evolves into the quintessential Offtopic-thority. Well done, boys.

On the topic of TaiHao... I can't seem to find their ALPS caps outside of Massdrop ;(


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chzel wrote: […] (BTW Daniel it's nice to have you back out of the shadows ) […]

Definitely

I also adhere to the rest of chzel's post, by the way.

Reading the topic and then reading page 2 of this thread makes no sense

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vivalarevolución wrote: Wow, I thought this thread was 7 pages on Tai-Hao, but it has evolves into the quintessential Offtopic-thority. Well done, boys.

It's actually somewhat problematic this one. But unlimited potential though...

I was looking for more information about the F62 GB, how did I end up here? I'm seriously questioning my life decisions because I've read the whole 7 pages...

iamacicada wrote: I was looking for more information about the F62 GB, how did I end up here? I'm seriously questioning my life decisions because I've read the whole 7 pages...

That's OK, but keyboard wise DT has a lot better threads to offer...

Mr.Nobody wrote:

kbdfr wrote: […] The secrecy about wages is good for the company, not for its staff.
Keeping them secret couldn't be more selfish.[…]

If someone is makeing more money than you are , even though you think he deserves it but still you'll feel a little bit frustrated and jealous, this is human nature, whereas, the sense of fairness is quite subjective, "yeah that guy deserves a higher salary", but how much higher is fair, different people have different answers, if all salaries of employees are known to all, it will causes trouble for all...keeping it secret benefits not only the company but also employees ....generally it's a good and practicl policy before we figure out something better.

Interestingly enough you do not even mention the (certainly widely predominant) case where people earning less think the ones better paid do not deserve a higher salary.
So no wonder your conclusion is "if all salaries of employees are known to all, it will causes trouble for all...keeping it secret benefits not only the company but also employees".

Obviously you belong to those who, earning more, take it for granted that they deserve it.
For someone who claims having studied psychology, you seem to grossly overlook the argumentation bias this implies

And to all you folks who want to discuss keyboard matters: please open a new thread
This one, as seebart soon recognized, obviously was intended as a propagandistic statement which, unfortunately for the OP, turned into a political discussion not subject to the kind of censorship he is used to.

PollandAkuma wrote: On the topic of TaiHao... I can't seem to find their ALPS caps outside of Massdrop ;(


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They had the whole WoB set in stock a few days ago, but keep an eye on their website.
https://clueboard.co/parts/tai-hao-abs- ... alps-mount

A few UK websites are listing TaiHao's products too, but haven't seen Alps mount caps, probably can send them a message.

kbdfr wrote:

Mr.Nobody wrote:

kbdfr wrote: […] The secrecy about wages is good for the company, not for its staff.
Keeping them secret couldn't be more selfish.[…]

If someone is makeing more money than you are , even though you think he deserves it but still you'll feel a little bit frustrated and jealous, this is human nature, whereas, the sense of fairness is quite subjective, "yeah that guy deserves a higher salary", but how much higher is fair, different people have different answers, if all salaries of employees are known to all, it will causes trouble for all...keeping it secret benefits not only the company but also employees ....generally it's a good and practicl policy before we figure out something better.

Interestingly enough you do not even mention the (certainly widely predominant) case where people earning less think the ones better paid do not deserve a higher salary.
So no wonder your conclusion is "if all salaries of employees are known to all, it will causes trouble for all...keeping it secret benefits not only the company but also employees".

Obviously you belong to those who, earning more, take it for granted that they deserve it.
For someone who claims having studied psychology, you seem to grossly overlook the argumentation bias this implies

And to all you folks who want to discuss keyboard matters: please open a new thread
This one, as seebart soon recognized, obviously was intended as a propagandistic statement which, unfortunately for the OP, turned into a political discussion not subject to the kind of censorship he is used to.

Yes, most of those who earn less are just envious of those who make more money, just like ugly girls hate beautiful ones and call them sluts,and most of those who can't get what they want always find excuses to justify themselves(which is a natural reaction to frustration) they may say to themselves: "That lucky bastard, if I were come from a better family or had a rich dad or a better chance,I would..." This is a typical losers gripe, as a self-made businessman ,I usually reply this " If you are as good as I am you will make as much as I do, I don't come from a better famliy nor do I have a rich dad, and there are many who started low,lower than you, but end up high, at least higher than you, don't numb yourself with excuses find solutions and exalt yoursefl by learning and working harder.

EDIT:Yes it's a fact I belong to those who earn more, and I do take it for granted,because I do deserve it, every penny is hard-earned,I built my life up with my bare hands any problem with that?

EDIT 2: Just like Jack Tramiel, the founder of Commodore who was a survivor of concentration camp and made his living by driving taxi in his early days in U.S.he came this world with nothing but ended up with everything, isn't he an epitome of self-made man?

Oh, we have a Chinese Trump here

Mr.Nobody wrote: Yes, most of those who earn less are just envious of those who make more money,

Interestingly enough this does not infirm, but in fact confirms, my argument that keeping wages secret is for the sole benefit of the company and of those who earn more, but certainly not of those who earn less.

And again we are presented with the never-ending self-praise of those conceited delusional egoists who insist that their success if due only to their inherent qualities and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with any external circumstances.

I suppose your alleged psychology studies involved statistics.
If so, you will certainly agree that if all have equal chances, the composition of the category of the rich should quite exactly reflect the composition of the overall society. If there is a certain percentage of, say, extremely poor persons in the society, then among the rich the percentage of those stemming from these paupers should be around the same.
Of course we all know it is by no means, be it in Western democracies or in other forms of societies.
There can be only two reasons for that: either as an internal factor the children of poor people are per se (quoting you) "losers", which implies that children of such parents in fact do not have equal starting chances, or other external factors related to their poverty play a role.

Both cases invalidate the ridiculous theory of those "I deserve it because I am better" fetichists.

kbdfr wrote: Oh, we have a Chinese Trump here

Mr.Nobody wrote: Yes, most of those who earn less are just envious of those who make more money,

Interestingly enough this does not infirm, but in fact confirms, my argument that keeping wages secret is for the sole benefit of the company and of those who earn more, but certainly not of those who earn less.

And again we are presented with the never-ending self-praise of those conceited delusional egoists who insist that their success if due only to their inherent qualities and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with any external circumstances.

I suppose your alleged psychology studies involved statistics.
If so, you will certainly agree that if all have equal chances, the composition of the category of the rich should quite exactly reflect the composition of the overall society. If there is a certain percentage of, say, extremely poor persons in the society, then among the rich the percentage of those stemming from these paupers should be around the same.
Of course we all know it is by no means, be it in Western democracies or in other forms of societies.
There can be only two reasons for that: either as an internal factor the children of poor people are per se (quoting you) "losers", which implies that children of such parents in fact do not have equal starting chances, or other external factors related to their poverty play a role.

Both cases invalidate the ridiculous theory of those "I deserve it because I am better" fetichists.

Trump had a rich father who gave him 1 million dollar to do whatever he wanted to do, so I am not a Chinese Trump, I am better than him, obviously, way better.

By the way, the statistics you want is not covered by psychology but by demography, some have strong inclination to be criminals, some are highly self-motivated,some have a bend for art...the discrapensy among individuals are bigger than we usually think, and external factors do exist but inherent factor are equally critical. No one is born better than others, but eventually we will see the difference.

I recommend reading as many biographies as you can,you will know, no matter who you are,born a prince or a pauper people are equally unhappy until he figures out what life is all about, in this sense everyone is indeed created equal...life is difficult for everyone maybe not economically or intelligently but emotionally and spiritually...

BTW, why I am better than Trump? I have a happier life than he does. So let me ask you some questions, why people like Trump who has money and power and everything a man wants still remain unhappy, what makes people happy? Of coure this thread will turn philosophical from political if happiness is what are to talk about

And you can judge about the happiness of Mr. Trump because of what? Speaking of arrogance...

I think you and the lady in this song have a lot in common Mr. Nobody. Is your name also an ironic statement? Because clearly you do not see yourself as a nobody, or one who wants to blend in.

Anyway - Here is 'Common People' by the artist Pulp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

This is an awfully long thread so I only skimmed it.

I came away with the distinct impression that I should head over to massdrop and order up one of the two TH pbt keysets sets that they have on offer.

So that is what I did.

Thanks, Deskthority.

Shihatsu wrote: And you can judge about the happiness of Mr. Trump because of what? Speaking of arrogance...

By facial expressions.

Harshmallow wrote: I think you and the lady in this song have a lot in common Mr. Nobody. Is your name also an ironic statement? Because clearly you do not see yourself as a nobody, or one who wants to blend in.

Anyway - Here is 'Common People' by the artist Pulp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

Unable to watch the video now ,will watch it later back home, philosophically, it's easier to be Mr.Somebody, but hard to be Mr.Nobody.