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matt3o wrote:we will never find a standard that makes everybody happy

That's for sure, so why don't make a consensus? Full keyboard, 80, 75, 65, 60, 40.

I'm interested between 75 and 60 format. I do have the Noppoo Choc 84, and I'd like to get rid of the Fn Keys on the top. I do like the Matt3o's "Simon", I mean put some keys on the left side, I don't know if FN will be good for me.

If we decide the format to prototype, I do recommend to open a new thread and begin to enhance or custom the format to fit most of our needs.

matt3o wrote:Simon

How about this version of Jayne?

Not a big fan of the 1u super key in most designs, I would prefer the more standard 1.25. I would go with Wash otherwise.

Side note, can you post the required Round 5 kits required for each design please? This would help me spend more money with 7bit

Acanthophis wrote:How about this version of Jayne?

the gap in the arrow cluster is pretty important actually

olive wrote:Not a big fan of the 1u super key in most designs, I would prefer the more standard 1.25. I would go with Wash otherwise.

The bottom row is always the hardest to get right. Half the work of any design goes in there!

olive wrote:Side note, can you post the required Round 5 kits required for each design please? This would help me spend more money with 7bit

The answer is almost always this one:

A ton of mods, in 1, 1.25, and 1.5 pairs. That's a builder's kit, all right.

just remember to grab 1.75 return, 1u shift (additional 2.25u shift if you want) and all the spacebars you can afford.

Muirium wrote: The bottom row is always the hardest to get right. Half the work of any design goes in there!

At least PCB-wise multiple layouts could be supported (like on the Phantom and GH60) and since the plates don't have to be all the same design I think we should have some flexibility here.
Similar as the ISO/ANSI debate.

Or am I thinking wrong here?

I'm trying to understand if we can find 3-4 master layouts the majority would buy. This would make the final cost lower AND would help my sanity a lot. If we can't agree on the default layouts no problem, 1 design per person is good for me, but bare in mind that I can't design the plate/firmware/PCB for everyone of you.

For the 1.25 cursor lovers: a little bottom row trick I played on my 60% last year:
It's possible to use those mods as an arrow cluster. I put them on the function layer. And now that I have an MXLOCK (on CAPS LOCK) to put them in this mode, they're proving really useful for lengthy navigation. They feel extra roomy, especially on a tight little 60%.

Never be without MXLOCK…

Muirium wrote:Never be without MXLOCK…

FN layer toggle will be available in all firmwares, mxlock is not strictly necessary

True. It does feel good, though. Chu-chunk.

matt3o wrote:I'm trying to understand if we can find 3-4 master layouts the majority would buy.

I would go with almost anything here, as long as it is ISO - whether with or no F-row (but of course F-row prefered).

For real personal customization there's also the option for me to handwire something, and probably make a case at a local lab here in Vienna (they have CNC, laser cutter, 3D printer, etc. to use for 5€ in month 24h 7 days http://www.happylab.at/ausstattung/). I definitely want to do this.

madhias wrote:For real personal customization there's also the option for me to handwire something, and probably make a case at a local lab here in Vienna (they have CNC, laser cutter, 3D printer, etc. to use for 5€ in month 24h 7 days http://www.happylab.at/ausstattung/). I definitely want to do this.

€5 month and you can laser cut as much as you want?

Yes, if there's noone other using the machine. Correction: €19 in month for 24h access, €9 for one day per week access.

http://wiki.happylab.at/w/CNC_Fr%C3%A4se

http://wiki.happylab.at/w/Laser_Cutter

madhias wrote:Yes, if there's noone other using the machine.

http://wiki.happylab.at/w/CNC_Fr%C3%A4se

http://wiki.happylab.at/w/Laser_Cutter

they also sell the metal sheets?

They have a shop: http://www.fabstore.at/ but no metal

For me it's a 10 minute walk from home

Nice. There are even lots of such FabLabs in Germany. Didnt know that.

The professor's getting new ideas…

Meanwhile, the ISO 60% I could live with: Note the colours. Symmetry demands!

I could do this with the mods



but I don't like the 0.50 gap on the arrow cluster

matt3o wrote:New prototypes, no one is "standard". +1 to the first who spots the reference.

Inara
River
Wash
Jayne
Simon

What about Zoe, Mal, Kaylee, Yolanda/Saffron (Yummy Christina) and of course Vera

Vierax wrote:

matt3o wrote:New prototypes, no one is "standard". +1 to the first who spots the reference.

Inara
River
Wash
Jayne
Simon

What about Zoe, Mal, Kaylee, Yolanda/Saffron (Yummy Christina) and of course Vera

finally someone I can relate with

It takes me several seasons to remember any characters names. Just like in real life…

“Joss's the boss”

Well Muirium, me too But when a fantastic show is cancelled during the first season, you watch the episode again and again…

I am a keyboard on a desk...

..watch how I click.

On a more relevant note, I will campaign a bit for the larger keypad/extended numpad.

nice one damorgue

Sorry, I don't have expectations on the topic since a sym staggered keyboard is not an option (it's too specific to reuse keysets)

matt3o,

To avoid duplication of efforts, I wanted to let you know that the SmallFry 40% is probably going to get a variant with an additional column, like your matt-1 design. Unless you just want to make another one for kicks.

Shiny!

Something like this you mean? Matt's current evolution: "Inara".



I like that Round 5 has a FORTY kit for SmallFry. Have you got a diagram for the other variants, so I can figure out if I can make them with my caps?

It's a too well fitted name for this variation since the character of Inara should have disappeared if the show has continued (information revealed in the Firefly 10 years birthday documentary) :/

Right. It's not even in the design phase now, but I'm hoping to add a variant like this: (pay no attention to the legends, keys would be 100% programmable)

unless you are vetoing it (which I would understand and respect) I'm still in for a tiny kb.