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Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 01:45
by larryniven
lot_lizard wrote: Those smell like Hooleon or the like to me. The company has been around since the mid-80s, and that font face and weight looks familiar. The X, S, G, Numpad, etc... Just a touch off
http://shop.hooleon.com
Can you elaborate a bit more? I can't see the difference if you compare the listed and this one
http://i.imgur.com/TTHef.jpg .
The entire album for those interested.
http://imgur.com/a/q0c8A
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 02:13
by lot_lizard
I'm not 100% certain, but confident enough to avoid it myself. I can contact Joan (still runs the outfit after Bob "retired") if you like and ask. There were only a couple of players in that space at the time. I wouldn't assume the pictures you are finding are actual IBM caps btw, even if from Ripster. No one is suggesting it isn't a nice board, I just personally believe the caps are aftermarket based on font deviations (only IBM has full access to their font, and their variances during the M era typically revolved around weight, not face). I have a couple Hooleon boards packed away, and the font faces have a striking similarity.
But again... Could be wrong. Hence the "smells" comment previously. Just adding awareness
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 02:32
by LewisR
lot_lizard wrote: I'm not 100% certain, but confident enough to avoid it myself. I can contact Joan (still runs the outfit after Bob "retired") if you like and ask. There were only a couple of players in that space at the time. I wouldn't assume the pictures you are finding are actual IBM caps btw, even if from Ripster. No one is suggesting it isn't a nice board, I just personally believe the caps are aftermarket based on font deviations (only IBM has full access to their font, and their variances during the M era typically revolved around weight, not face). I have a couple Hooleon boards packed away, and the font faces have a striking similarity.
But again... Could be wrong. Hence the "smells" comment previously. Just adding awareness
@ and ~ look more like my XT's legends than the two Ms I have. ~ on ebay board looks different though (possibly different or just bad pic?).
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Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 03:24
by fohat
I recently sorted a big bag of original IBM caps, all from the 1980s and early 1990s, and was shocked at the differences that I found in the legends - weight (individual keys or collectively as sets), location (some legends were so deep into the top left corners that they were practically over the edges), not to mention at least half a dozen colors of sub-legends.
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 04:28
by orihalcon
The way I usually tell if they are real APL is if "APL" is on the front of the Backspace key. Is missing from this one and Ripster's too actually. Anyone have a known true example of model M or F APL caps that does not have "APL" on the backspace key?
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 20:50
by lot_lizard
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262550579188
One of the best shape Goodwill F's you'll ever see
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 20:58
by Jimi14
Found this weird looking Acer 6312 variation.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clicky-Keyboard ... SwgY9Xdwny
And this ergonomic KB-7001 with an alps mount switch i cant identify (also Acers?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KB-7001-ergonom ... SwtnpXnSON
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 22:36
by seebart
fohat wrote: I recently sorted a big bag of original IBM caps, all from the 1980s and early 1990s, and was shocked at the differences that I found in the legends - weight (individual keys or collectively as sets), location (some legends were so deep into the top left corners that they were practically over the edges), not to mention at least half a dozen colors of sub-legends.
Agreed, there are quite a few variations and exceptions, this 3178 F of mine is a good example with it's smaller off centered legends:
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Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 22:38
by Slom
Is this cherry? The key caps look remarkably white compared to the case:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Klassische-Highs ... 2216240028
The rest are all rather interesting than great (price-wise), also all more than just a keyboard:
Heath Zenith Data system Z100 (Alps vintage tee,
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53507.0)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Vintage-Heath-Ze ... 1897994588
Perkin Elmer Bantman 550 Data system (I suspect Hi-Tek switches, based on the other Perkin Elmer in the wiki)
Great colours, and the sublegends for the numblock are awesome
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Perkin-Elmer-Ban ... 1896644892
CASIO FP 6000
Does anyone know what switches these have
Great colours as well (Google for pictures of the complete keyboard)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/CASIO-FP-6000-PE ... 2123045504
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 22:42
by Rimrul
I'm 90% certain it's a G81.
The non-yellowed caps could indicate PBT dye subs.
Re: Great/Interesting Finds
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 22:50
by Techno Trousers
Wow, that's beautiful. Someone should run a spherical key cap group buy based on that color scheme.
Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 23:03
by seebart
Indeed awesome caps and nice color scheme. Not cheap though.
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Posted: 04 Aug 2016, 23:24
by photekq
Yes. DE dyesubs on that one
Re: Great/Interesting Finds
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 00:06
by ba7777
Looks like a G81-3081SAD to me.
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 00:10
by hypkx
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 00:21
by photekq
Those look like dyesubs to me.. I want!
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 02:12
by jerue
crazy looking dyesubs....what are they? hard to tell from far apart...
Also, congrats to whoever got this Tandem 1191 HBU for less than $50, of course it was listed while I was taking a nap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TANDEM- ... 1928832316
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:44
by Miko
http://www.eprice.it/tastiere-COOLERMASTER/d-5765551
90€ NovaTouch TKL Tipro clone. I guess the price is nice.
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:49
by kbdfr
Fixed that for you
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:54
by seebart
kbdfr wrote:
Fixed that for you
Aww...come on kbdfr, show us some nice 66% TKL Tipro clones.
Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 20:52
by gogusrl
Just noticed it's missing a led as well (Pause/Break I guess).
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 03:47
by lot_lizard
orihalcon wrote: The way I usually tell if they are real APL is if "APL" is on the front of the Backspace key. Is missing from this one and Ripster's too actually. Anyone have a known true example of model M or F APL caps that does not have "APL" on the backspace key?
I have two sets (one from an F122 and one from an M), and both would have APL on the backspace. The only other variation of the APL key I have seen is on the F8 key on an Unsaver, but it didn't have APL caps throughout the board. Pic to help those who haven't seen.
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 10:10
by //gainsborough
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 14:47
by fohat
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 15:24
by XMIT
fohat wrote:
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
Yep. I've seen these with ABS double shots as well.
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 15:59
by ohaimark
Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 21:37
by Hypersphere
Ortek MKB-84SX $99 shipped
I believe that this is the model with SKCM whte Alps switches and doubleshot keycaps.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Ortek-Alps ... SwbsBXpMo2
Posted: 07 Aug 2016, 04:26
by emdude
fohat wrote:
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
I believe you need to get the original Alps-manufactured AT101, with the FCC ID: GYI3PVAT101.
This is a pretty good deal, Apple Adjustable Keyboard + Keypad (Alps SKFS), also comes with short ADB cable to bridge the boards and a mouse, $28 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M1242-Vintage-A ... 1703487788
Posted: 07 Aug 2016, 09:01
by y11971alex
http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdeta ... 1460553789
The part number and the description seems to be right, but the picture is wrong.
Posted: 07 Aug 2016, 09:13
by emdude
It seems you already tried to get this yourself a little while ago..
post310917.html#p310917
