ohaimark wrote: You're suggesting artificial price drops, which I'm fine with. Making the hobby cheap is well and good, but that's an unrealistic standard to hold everyone to. I would prefer fair, if painful, pragmatism over fluffy idealism any day of the week.
Yes, criminal scum that I am, I want to maximize my profits when selling the single most valuable keyboard I own.
It's not like I'm selling 43 other keyboards to the community at what I assume will be below "eBay" prices.
As long as I can get some for a good price
I have been choosing between selling my blue alps board and keeping it, I want one board to sell for max profit and the other to keep. I just love the sound of blue alps
Waiting for "lot of 10 blue alps boards 50$ BIN and free shipping"
webwit wrote:I don't have an ebay or paypal account. Can't complain about my collection.
Webwits too cool for ebay
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 02:33
by webwit
Didn't get my Space Cadet from ebay. Show me yours.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 02:38
by rddm
I found this keyboard in my country's classifieds but I don't know if it's a rubberdome or alps and I can't see what is the brand and model.
Looks the exact same as an M2, what is the difference between M3 and M2? It's not just the description, but the back of the keyboard.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 02:48
by ohaimark
webwit wrote: Didn't get my Space Cadet from ebay. Show me yours.
Congratulations on a "red herring" fallacy, webwit. Responding to my arguments with: "I have this rare thing that you don't AND I don't have an eBay account" resolves nothing. Correlation, not causation. And even the correlation is shaky. Your implication is that not having an eBay account means you get more rare things for less. That is untrue.
We spend our time deeply searching the internet, our locales, and forum connections for excellent deals. Some people simply can't do that -- they aren't ballsy enough, smart enough, persistent enough, lucky enough, or gifted with enough spare time to find such things. We have enough of all those traits to get excellent deals, making us exceptions to the rule.
Here's why I think you have your space cadet: time, effort, and luck. NOT the lack of an eBay account. For all we know, a space cadet could show up in a "buy it now" listing for $50 tomorrow on eBay. It would be snapped up quicker than if it were sitting in someone's basement that you physically searched, true, but that in no way diminishes the value of the deal. It just diminishes the effort and skill involved in acquiring it.
Wowzers, that's a tad steep. Still, it's ebay, so what should we expect?
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 03:29
by webwit
ohaimark wrote: Congratulations on a "red herring" fallacy, webwit. Responding to my arguments with: "I have this rare thing that you don't AND I don't have an eBay account" resolves nothing. Correlation, not causation. And even the correlation is shaky. Your implication is that not having an eBay account means you get more rare things for less. That is untrue.
We spend our time deeply searching the internet, our locales, and forum connections for excellent deals. Some people simply can't do that -- they aren't ballsy enough, smart enough, persistent enough, lucky enough, or gifted with enough spare time to find such things. We have enough of all those traits to get excellent deals, making us exceptions to the rule.
Here's why I think you have your space cadet: time, effort, and luck. NOT the lack of an eBay account. For all we know, a space cadet could show up in a "buy it now" listing for $50 tomorrow on eBay. It would be snapped up quicker than if it were sitting in someone's basement that you physically searched, true, but that in no way diminishes the value of the deal. It just diminishes the effort and skill involved in acquiring it.
Blah blah, you give your money to assholes and empower them to obtain an object, to continue with some rant against someone who doesn't in order to excuse yourself. Pretty.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 03:33
by Redmaus
webwit wrote:
ohaimark wrote: Congratulations on a "red herring" fallacy, webwit. Responding to my arguments with: "I have this rare thing that you don't AND I don't have an eBay account" resolves nothing. Correlation, not causation. And even the correlation is shaky. Your implication is that not having an eBay account means you get more rare things for less. That is untrue.
We spend our time deeply searching the internet, our locales, and forum connections for excellent deals. Some people simply can't do that -- they aren't ballsy enough, smart enough, persistent enough, lucky enough, or gifted with enough spare time to find such things. We have enough of all those traits to get excellent deals, making us exceptions to the rule.
Here's why I think you have your space cadet: time, effort, and luck. NOT the lack of an eBay account. For all we know, a space cadet could show up in a "buy it now" listing for $50 tomorrow on eBay. It would be snapped up quicker than if it were sitting in someone's basement that you physically searched, true, but that in no way diminishes the value of the deal. It just diminishes the effort and skill involved in acquiring it.
Blah blah, you give your money to assholes and empower them to obtain an object, to continue with some rant against someone who doesn't in order to excuse yourself. Pretty.
Flame war inc
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 03:35
by chiptea
Keyboard drama, ooh. Watch out you don't cut yourself on that edge lads.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 03:59
by photekq
webwit wrote: Blah blah, you give your money to assholes and empower them to obtain an object, to continue with some rant against someone who doesn't in order to excuse yourself. Pretty.
If it weren't for ebay I bet so many of these keyboards would simply be thrown out or never found. Sure, some keyboards may go there for absurd prices, and I'm even guilty of sometimes paying those prices. However, think of all the keyboards sold and won on ebay for low prices that otherwise might never see the light of day.
ohaimark wrote:
they aren't ballsy enough, smart enough, persistent enough, lucky enough, or gifted with enough spare time to find such things.
Bloody hell. You do think quite highly of yourself! Finding keyboards doesn't require all those qualities. I'll give you persistent and lucky, but the others..
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 04:43
by ohaimark
Edit: I love fiery debates. I'm sorry/not sorry at the same time for being so confrontational.
I'm exaggerating personal qualities to make a point and get a rise (though, on second thought, I complimented webwit because I said he had those traits too). In truth, I'm just lucky and persistent.
Agreed about the keyboards that would never see the light of day... I'm stuck in the mental rut of economics right now, so I missed that argument.
I'm glad the peanut gallery is enjoying this. It's quite edgy, to be sure. I can't say who's in the lead, though. I spoilered a bunch of this so that people don't have to suffer through it unless they want to.
webwit wrote: Blah blah, you give your money to assholes and empower them to obtain an object, to continue with some rant against someone who doesn't in order to excuse yourself. Pretty.
Spoiler:
So... You respond to logic with "blah blah." -slow clap- I'm ranting at you because I'm confused and curious. I tend to learn better in debates. Nor am I trolling, though I wish I were sadistic enough to do so. I'm definitely "inciting."
You're missing the point. I'm not trying to excuse myself from anything -- I am a shameless capitalist. I embrace and exploit eBay. I am trying to show *why* buying/selling to/from people while using a middleman is, in many cases, not immoral and quite reasonable. Maybe even effective if one wants to profit.
Not everyone who buys a keyboard on eBay is an asshole, to be clear. How can you judge the character of eBay's employees, stakeholders (NOT stockholders -- big difference), and customers in such a blanket manner? Why do you seem to think that people on eBay don't deserve the goods that are listed there?
Why is it wrong to empower people to purchase goods for a profit at a price set by the free market?
Spoiler:
Back to eBay. I understand that you dislike the company, but I fail to see why your dislike is so deep-seated. Most people here seem to dislike eBay for a few reasons:
1) They charge significant fees.
2) Their marketplace allows anyone, including people who don't want to invest a bunch of time/effort in something, to purchase goods.
3) They often screw buyers and sellers via carelessness, malice (though I doubt this happens often), and incompetence.
4) They cause market prices for rare things to fluctuate as they do in a normal capitalist system.
Are there other reasons why you dislike eBay? Those are all valid reasons and worth boycotting the company over if you're severely offended by them. I think being offended by those things is sub-optimal... But whatever.
It seems like your primary motivation, though, is boycotting a company whose purpose is to provide "lazy" people with opportunities to purchase scarce luxury goods (vintage mechanical keyboards). Are people who don't farm their own fruits and veggies lazy?
That stance is self defeating -- as we buy and keep more keyboards, isolating them from the free market with price fixing to keep "entry to the hobby" cheap, prices elsewhere will continue to skyrocket because we control and compete for the majority of a scarce resource.
We can't expect everyone who wants a mech to join the mech community. We also can't expect sellers to market their goods on individual forums when e-commerce systems designed for mass transactions, ease of use, and maximal profits (via the market equilibrium price, which is determined by what users are willing to pay) exist. eBay is an imperfect "supermarket" system, but it's the de-facto standard.
I wouldn't want to miss out on the good deals I've snagged by boycotting an organization that sucks, but isn't really doing much that's awful.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 05:10
by chiptea
ohaimark wrote: Edit: I love fiery debates. I'm sorry/not sorry at the same time for being so confrontational.
I'm exaggerating personal qualities to make a point and get a rise (though, on second thought, I complimented webwit because I said he had those traits too). In truth, I'm just lucky and persistent.
Agreed about the keyboards that would never see the light of day... I'm stuck in the mental rut of economics right now, so I missed that argument.
I'm glad the peanut gallery is enjoying this. It's quite edgy, to be sure. I can't say who's in the lead, though. I spoilered a bunch of this so that people don't have to suffer through it unless they want to.
webwit wrote: Blah blah, you give your money to assholes and empower them to obtain an object, to continue with some rant against someone who doesn't in order to excuse yourself. Pretty.
Spoiler:
So... You respond to logic with "blah blah." -slow clap- I'm ranting at you because I'm confused and curious. I tend to learn better in debates. Nor am I trolling, though I wish I were sadistic enough to do so. I'm definitely "inciting."
You're missing the point. I'm not trying to excuse myself from anything -- I am a shameless capitalist. I embrace and exploit eBay. I am trying to show *why* buying/selling to/from people while using a middleman is, in many cases, not immoral and quite reasonable. Maybe even effective if one wants to profit.
Not everyone who buys a keyboard on eBay is an asshole, to be clear. How can you judge the character of eBay's employees, stakeholders (NOT stockholders -- big difference), and customers in such a blanket manner? Why do you seem to think that people on eBay don't deserve the goods that are listed there?
Why is it wrong to empower people to purchase goods for a profit at a price set by the free market?
Spoiler:
Back to eBay. I understand that you dislike the company, but I fail to see why your dislike is so deep-seated. Most people here seem to dislike eBay for a few reasons:
1) They charge significant fees.
2) Their marketplace allows anyone, including people who don't want to invest a bunch of time/effort in something, to purchase goods.
3) They often screw buyers and sellers via carelessness, malice (though I doubt this happens often), and incompetence.
4) They cause market prices for rare things to fluctuate as they do in a normal capitalist system.
Are there other reasons why you dislike eBay? Those are all valid reasons and worth boycotting the company over if you're severely offended by them. I think being offended by those things is sub-optimal... But whatever.
It seems like your primary motivation, though, is boycotting a company whose purpose is to provide "lazy" people with opportunities to purchase scarce luxury goods (vintage mechanical keyboards). Are people who don't farm their own fruits and veggies lazy?
That stance is self defeating -- as we buy and keep more keyboards, isolating them from the free market with price fixing to keep "entry to the hobby" cheap, prices elsewhere will continue to skyrocket because we control and compete for the majority of a scarce resource.
We can't expect everyone who wants a mech to join the mech community. We also can't expect sellers to market their goods on individual forums when e-commerce systems designed for mass transactions, ease of use, and maximal profits (via the market equilibrium price, which is determined by what users are willing to pay) exist. eBay is an imperfect "supermarket" system, but it's the de-facto standard.
I wouldn't want to miss out on the good deals I've snagged by boycotting an organization that sucks, but isn't really doing much that's awful.
By the way, mark, where did you get the DC from anyway? Surprised how you could find one in such good nick. .-.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 05:35
by ohaimark
I picked it up from a local e-cycler. Apparently an elderly woman dropped it off earlier in the day, saying...
"They don't make keyboards like these anymore!"
Damn straight, old woman, damn straight. It was an unbelievable stroke of luck -- I had been looking for Blue Alps keyboards for a few weeks. When I walked in, saw the logo, and noticed the condition my jaw must have hit the floor.
I may have also giggled. I'm a bearded, 20something college student. God knows what the place's owner thinks of me.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 07:29
by Wodan
I don't understand the PayPal bashing here. Have you done "international" business (as a consumer) before PayPal ?
Take a look at the charges of Western Union or individual bank transfers abroad in the early 2000s ...
In the late 90s, I got an Airsoft gun on Ebay.com and paid ~10€ charges for a transfer of 80$.
It's your choice to use PayPal ... But don't bash it unless you have a good alternative.
It's me having no fun at all... The buyer was not able to pay for the previous because he set the wrong shipping address when buying my item. It is not possible to change that afterwards, damn you, eBay!
If you don't change that the checkout process will always look wrong. But the main reason everything is working out so bad is because he's not a candidate for winning the championship of the english language.
Now he can propose me an offer for this and I will just accept that, this time with the right shipping address, hopefully.
I feel really sorry for you, especially when recalling what you previously posted about your eBay sale:
Spoiler:
zuglufttier wrote:
kbdfr wrote:
zuglufttier wrote: […] Yes, I am! That stuff really needs to go. A bit cleaning up before I can aquire new stuff...
Poor SAD board deserves its designation, missing a keycap
Interested in a "/" cap from another SAD? Perhaps it could help getting a better price
It's easy: join the DT club and get it for shipping costs
Already thought about joining, I like this forum But thanks, no keycap for the SAD! Already got some messages regarding it on eBay from only one person (in chronological order):
Hello, less a keyboard key caps?The outer packing whether there is any?
Hello, what is the keyboard weight?
Hello, this keyboard lack key cap, can cancel the deal?
Another good one:
I'm interested in the keyboard G81-3000SAD.
question.
1.
product is working?
2.
keyboard Disassemble or modify Is there a trail?
and it's keycaps state wonder. tanning and hurt?
keycaps what condition? this is mint condition?
3.
I want to buy immediately. Can I immediately purchase?
How much is it?
answer reply please. thanks.!
I'm not mentally prepared for the things that might happen if the board was complete.
Perhaps you should consider offering the keyboard directly to the second highest bidder.
This being said, I'm not sure you are aware your buyer is probably a specific DT member
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 08:09
by tentator
ohaimark wrote: I picked it up from a local e-cycler. Apparently an elderly woman dropped it off earlier in the day, saying...
"They don't make keyboards like these anymore!"
Damn straight, old woman, damn straight. It was an unbelievable stroke of luck -- I had been looking for Blue Alps keyboards for a few weeks. When I walked in, saw the logo, and noticed the condition my jaw must have hit the floor.
I may have also giggled. I'm a bearded, 20something college student. God knows what the place's owner thinks of me.
Lol.. you made my day man! God knows what my commuters think of me laughing while 's rolling a forum full of keyboard pictures!! Haha!
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 08:34
by Wodan
tentator wrote:
Lol.. you made my day man! God knows what my commuters think of me laughing while 's rolling a forum full of keyboard pictures!! Haha!
- whatever floats your boat man but stop looking at capless keyboards in public. There's kids in the bus.
Posted: 09 Mar 2016, 10:31
by shreebles
At least teach them something important for their lives.
"Remember to always cover up in rubber, for protection!"
Show me yours.
In truth, I'm just lucky and persistent.
I spoilered a bunch of this so that people don't have to suffer through it unless they want to.
