Combining QWERTZ with an ANSI return key

[sixty]

This is a great idea. I wish that the ANSI enter was the standard for all European layouts. This would make life easier for manufacturers as well - all you'd have to do would be to add one key next to left shift. The more I use my ANSI boards the more retarded the ISO enter feels.

Had the same feeling. I really also like the European extra key on the left of shift though. So the variant bugfix came up with is potentially the best. Too bad by now I have entirely forgotten how to use the German layout (its been over 10 years), so for me its by now too late to change back.

[Half-Saint]

Until I started using an ANSI IBM Space Saver II, I thought that the ANSI Enter is stupid. Now I think it's great! However, same as sixty, I also like the extra key next to left Shift. Bugfix layout ftw

[webwit]

Extra key next to shift is bad, because it will be a character you probably use less than the left shift, and moreover turns the simply "pinky down" for shift to moving a whole lot more. I.e. it makes one of if not the most important layer key less accessible. Just give me one on the right, HHKB style, where there is room and on the right side so it doesn't make shift less accessible.

[Gilgam]

just to know
How much did you pay?, customs and other taxes included ?

Thanks

[hoggy]

Looks really nice!

I've liked the ansi enter key ever since I got my filco. As a programmer, there's no going back. $10 extra was a steal.

[Half-Saint]

Slovenian layout uses the extra key next to left Shift to produce < and > characters. The habit is so strong that on an ANSI keyboard I keep looking for that extra key and it annoys the hell out of me. I have absolutely no problem using my pinky to hit left shift.

[sixty]

Same, I hit left shit very much on the left edge.. probably due to my ISO history years ago.

[xbb]

Same, I hit left shit very much on the left edge.. probably due to my ISO history years ago.

How long you needed to get used to ANSI?

[sixty]

Same, I hit left shit very much on the left edge.. probably due to my ISO history years ago.

How long you needed to get used to ANSI?

Probably about 2-3 months, coming from German ISO.

[javifast]

I think that's the perfect layout for europeans. I like it.

[NeverDie]

Awesome keyboard man

[daedalus]

Some netbook manufacturers make layouts like that.

Some people in Europe are really adverse to using the ANSI enter. I guess it's because they are used to making grandiose right hand movements to hit return instead of tapping it with the little finger. Got me when I first typed on an ANSI keyboard.

[British]

Extra key next to shift is bad, because it will be a character you probably use less than the left shift, and moreover turns the simply "pinky down" for shift to moving a whole lot more. I.e. it makes one of if not the most important layer key less accessible. Just give me one on the right, HHKB style, where there is room and on the right side so it doesn't make shift less accessible.

For games, and when using the WASD/ZQSD cluster, it's very convenient (as long as the game actually recognize that key, which is not a given... it's probably because of american developers still thinking/not knowing/not caring there's no countries out there).

[Julle]

Some netbook manufacturers make layouts like that.

Can you name a specific manufacturer or model? I'm currently looking for a new netbook.

[Half-Saint]

My next order from Unicomp will be one of those bugfix Space Savers