Making a Realforce 87U fully compatible with HiPro caps

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livingspeedbump
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22 Apr 2016, 04:02

The Topre 87U is unquestionably my favorite TKL of all time. Unfortunately with Topre, keycap options are quite limited. I love the caps from the HiPro, but unfortunately Topre does not make a TKL variant. Unfortunately getting a HiPro 87U is a little more involved than a simple cap swap.

Because the HiPro comes only in a full size variant, like all full size Realforce boards, the status indicator lights (Caps, Scroll, Num) are above the numpad. The 87U, due to not having room at the top of the case for these lights, uses under switch LEDs. Due to the position of these LED’s the bottom left CTRL key features a special slider, and slider housing, to accommodate for the indicator LED (on the 87U Caps and CTRL can be swapped via a DIP switch, and in that case there is a Caps LED where CTRL normally is). Because of that, only keys made for TKL varients, and that left hand slot can be used in that location. Here a visual example of the difference:
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As you can see, the left slider and left windowed keycap, have stems that go in the opposite direction of all the other stems on the board, which are like the other stem pictured. To further complicate matters, the housings is also different.
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The left CTRL housing has a cut off corner, thus turning the housing 90 degrees, or swapping out the housing all together is not possible.

Now, there are a few solutions to this issue, with the first being to modify the keycap stem, or 3D print a new slider for that location. Cutting the keycap stem off was simply not an option for me. I feel like there is a huge possibility of making a mistake and ending up with a keycap that doesn’t sit properly, or simply doesn’t lock in place at all. I decided the best course of action was to simply modify the plate to allow the housing to be turned 90 degrees, allowing me to keep my keycaps stock and allowing me to very easily swap the entire housing back if I ever wanted to make the 87U stock again.
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Do do this, I simply used the grinder on my Dremel tool. Cutting the plate was extremely easy to do and came out looking rather good. I could have sanded it down slightly more, but I wanted the housing to snap into place and not be loose either, so once the housing fit I didn’t shave any more of the plate off.
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Now that my slider was in alignment with all of the others I simply needed to desolder the LED from the PCB. With the housing turned, the LED hit the bottom of the housing. This was a very easy process, and the LED came out without any issues.
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After that I simply put the keyboard back together, and put on my fresh caps. In this example, I used caps from a 104US and swapped out the sliders for purple silenced sliders while I had the keyboard open for surgery. The finished result is quite nice I think. I went ahead and modified 2 of my 87U's, one for the HiPro caps, and the other to make use of the 104U's black modifiers.
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Thanks for reading! As always, if you have any questions, corrections, etc, just let me know!

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derzemel

27 Apr 2016, 08:10

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I am curious, what is the cost breakdown?

I know that the 87u is about $180, but the HiPro?
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Redmaus
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27 Apr 2016, 08:14

That looks awesome. I tried out hipro caps on XMIT's topre board and they felt great.

I really like the content you have been posting lvpdbmp, its pretty good 8-)

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livingspeedbump
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27 Apr 2016, 16:20

derzemel wrote: Image

I am curious, what is the cost breakdown?

I know that the 87u is about $180, but the HiPro?
Yeah, there is the real problem with doing this. If you were going to just start from scratch you'd need the 87U ($205) and the HiPro ($290), and you then end up with a useless HiPro in the end. Sure you could throw the caps from the 87U on it I suppose, but you'd have those mixed with HiPro caps and it would be quite ugly.

I've had a few HiPros over the years, and sold them all as complete and stock boards, but was recently fortunate enough to get just the caps for a TKL in a trade, finally making it viable for me to make a permanent HiPro 87U.

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livingspeedbump
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27 Apr 2016, 16:22

derzemel wrote: Image

I am curious, what is the cost breakdown?

I know that the 87u is about $180, but the HiPro?
Yeah, I really enjoy them as well. The homing row is something that I've become quite fond of after heavily using the HiPro for a while.

And thanks :)

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XMIT
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27 Apr 2016, 16:58

Yep, I've seen this mod before. The choices are either the plate mod or modifying the key cap. I think the plate mod is the way to go. Nice work! :-D

If you ever get a chance to try a 55g HiPro please tell me what you think. The heavier switch weight and the high key caps seem like a great combination in my testing.

I've added making a TKL 55g HiPro to my list of projects.

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livingspeedbump
Not what they seem

27 Apr 2016, 18:31

XMIT wrote: Yep, I've seen this mod before. The choices are either the plate mod or modifying the key cap. I think the plate mod is the way to go. Nice work! :-D

If you ever get a chance to try a 55g HiPro please tell me what you think. The heavier switch weight and the high key caps seem like a great combination in my testing.

I've added making a TKL 55g HiPro to my list of projects.
I currently have a 55g HiPro with purple silenced sliders. I honestly greatly prefer the HiPro caps with the 55g over the 45g domes. I am much the same way with SA caps as well, I really only enjoy them on heavier switches like Clears or Greens or Blacks, but hate them on any lighter switch.

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cookie

27 Apr 2016, 18:47

Nice Job! I didn't even know that you can't put HiPro caps on a RF 87 :)

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seebart
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27 Apr 2016, 18:49

Awesome, that's the way Topre should sell the RF stock. That and different color combos. Of course being Topre they will never do that. :x
derzemel wrote: I know that the 87u is about $180, but the HiPro?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa- ... yboard.asp

Of course they never actually have any in stock.

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livingspeedbump
Not what they seem

27 Apr 2016, 21:53

seebart wrote: Awesome, that's the way Topre should sell the RF stock. That and different color combos. Of course being Topre they will never do that. :x
derzemel wrote: I know that the 87u is about $180, but the HiPro?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa- ... yboard.asp

Of course they never actually have any in stock.
Elite Keyboards does actually have them in stock for $290:
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php? ... pid=yk2100

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