Chyros wrote: OK, so I'm really curious about this now. What is it with wanting to have tiny keyboards?
People pay several times more to get an SSK as opposed to a normal Model M. They pay top dollar to get rare space-saving versions of keyboards. Someone undertook the Herculean effort to recreate Kishsavers, a spared-no-expense venture (I've seen the unit cost). HHKB users do with only 60% of their buttons and they love it, others think even that's too much and they painstakingly custom-cuild their own 40% layout.
To me, this is baffling. There aren't a lot of keys I don't use on a keyboard myself, so paying MORE to get LESS sounds very strange to me. I own very few <100% keyboards, and I actually think that the bigger a keyboard is, the cooler it looks. Now I'm not here to convince people to use big keyboards (not that I could if I wanted to), but I really want to know. Therefore, I pose the question; tiny keyboard users, what is it that you like so much about small form factors?
but this is another issue...
Thank you, that's actually a very useful scheme! I see how big keyboards impact mouse placement.Linkert wrote: Here's why my full size ISO G-80-whatever Cherry board mostly sit in the closet. For me it's all about the balance between centered alpha keys and centered mouse on the mouse pad.
The Poker board or the Wasd TKL gives me enough keys to get through my computing needs. Why would I use a board that forces me into a weird position where either the alpha keys end up too far to the left of center position or the mouse pad and mouse ends up too far to the right?
The poker II ANSI is my daily driver. There's a custom printed ISO Wasdkeyboard TKL on it's way to replace the Poker II, seems like a good in-between.
I could also make a loose comparison to machine tools (full kb) VS. hand tools (tkl/60%). A lot of the time, mostly all the time, I prefer using hand tools at work. Less noise, light weight, dust stays more concentrated, ergonomic, less violent and therefore safer. For most things we do at work it's just as effective, and in some cases even more effective.
The minimalist aspect is beautiful when it works
(fancy-illustration-measurements-from-real-world-monitor-mouse-keyboard-derp)
The centre line really does make a profound difference *for me*. I stand at a narrow standing desk, with one single 4k display. So my chosen oddball setup is very different to your chosen oddball setup!zslane wrote: Being centered with the monitor is largely irrelevent for me. I have dual 24" monitors at work and so being "centered" is pretty meaningless. Once I got used to moving the goalposts of the argument and introducing some other setup the people who disagree with me do not use, I soon stopped caring where the center of one monitor is (my home setup). An inch off of center here or there is inconsequential to me; I consider this straw man I'm weaving to be another straw man.
I weren't clear about the reasoning behind centering myself in front of the monitor.zslane wrote: Being centered with the monitor is largely irrelevent for me. I have dual 24" monitors at work and so being "centered" is pretty meaningless. Once you get used to not caring where the center of two monitors are, you soon stop caring where the center of one monitor is (my home setup). An inch off of center here or there is inconsequential to usability and productivity; I consider that another OCD-driven straw man.
No no come on now your exaggerating vastly and remember many of us are not Apple users where the hardware has exotic names like retina and thunderbolt.
I tell you my HP ZR24w IPS is no crappy display, minus the 4k retina of course. 
I think that's right. My work machine is a laptop, but I have a docking station through which I connect the two monitors. The docking station has a PS/2 keyboard port which fortunately has enough oomph to drive a Model M. So most of the time the laptop is closed and behaves as a desktop, but every so often I have to take it to meetings and suddenly its built-in keyboard becomes important.zslane wrote: The more I think about it, the less my comment about large application space (across dual monitors, for instance) is going to resonate in this thread. We're talking about a population that really likes its tiny keyboards, which means a population that is probably working with tiny monitors, like on laptops, much of the time. Now even though I can't stand to do serious work on a laptop, I know that a lot of people have turned to laptops as their main computer. And when your only window into your virtual workspace is a 15" display, being centered with it is going to feel more urgent.
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No. Have been using 2 Monitors for more than 20 years (two 24" at home and work rigth now) and my tiny keyboards are still centered at the gap between the monitors.zslane wrote: The more I think about it, the less my comment about large application space (across dual monitors, for instance) is going to resonate in this thread. We're talking about a population that really likes its tiny keyboards, which means a population that is probably working with tiny monitors, like on laptops, much of the time.
