Custom Dell AT102W Redesign

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Paranoid

16 Feb 2014, 14:21

Redesigning an ALPS board by Paranoid.

Since discovering mechanical keyboards a few of my first boards were ALPS. The first encounter with ALPS was pretty interesting. I typed on a few black ALPS boards, some typed better than others. I also tried White ALPS from a Nan-Tan, Cream ALPS from a AT102 and unexpectedly found a board with Blue ALPS. I must say, they really do type nicely.

Now, the form factor of the Dell boards was another thing. In my opinion, it's not the best looking older board. So I toyed with the idea of making a case for it. After seeing a lot of DIY projects I decided to try it myself.

v0.1
In the summer, about a year ago, I figured why not cut a frame out myself. Well, that's what I did but the result wasn't all that satisfying.
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So when reaching this result I found a fab-lab nearby where I'd have access to a laser cutter for free. Finding time besides work to do this was not so easy and it's on a first come first serve basis, but eventually I got there.

I measured the cut-outs of the Dell and made my 2D drawings based on that. For everything to fit in the case a few modifications were necessary, like cutting the steel plate because it's too big and standing up edges which needed to disappear.
Since this was my prototype in MDF I painted the plate white since that's a pretty clean match. For switches I used Matias Tactile switches which I ordered from 7bit. The caps are a mix of caps from a Tulip (DS caps), Dell AT102W and AT102 (presumably dye-subs).

As you might notice I use BE AZERTY. Finding good boards in this layout is not so easy but I managed to get it on all of my boards so far.
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I was possitively surprised with the result. Unfortunately the measurements were not perfect and needed some fine-tuning. The way the case would be held together and how the pcb/plate would be fixated still needed to be properly defined.

v0.2
A while had passed since v0.1 but many weeks later I decided to just go for it and try to finish the design during one weekend. So, that's what I did.
Cutting the plates was a success and it fitted nearly perfect straight away. After this there some manual work was still required like countersinking the holes and aligning the pcb onto the bottom plate.
I also wanted a detachable cable since I didn't want to hack and slash the original cable so I put in a mini-usb breakout board.
To finish it off I made a custom cable which matches the custom keycap I made a while back and I also put in some 3mm red LEDs. You might have noticed that I laser etched the ALPS logo togheter with a switch on there as well :)

As far as the typing goes I wasn't quite convinced at first with the Matias switches, but this was when the board was completely flat on the table. Placing the feet under there has made a world of difference and it types way smoother. There is still quite some unavoidable wobble though.

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Overall I'm happy with the result. Maybe some things could have gone easier and really small details could have been better but this was enough to start making the awesome final version of this.

v1.0
Making the final version: I wanted to go all out on this one!
First thing I had to do was finding another Dell and de-soldering everything. Second step is cutting the plate with precision and finishing it with some filing and sanding. I wanted the plate to look nice and be protected at the same time so I spray painted it with decent black paint.

To top it of I used a carbon vinyl on the top. Cutting out the holes took some time but it was worth it, it looks stunning! It might be a little over the top for some people but you can't really see it that much when it's put together. It's a nice little detail when you're looking closely at the board.
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I had already cut the case but this time in PMMA (plexi). The top and bottom layers are in black and the middle layers are transparent. The top features some cut-outs for the LEDs.
For switches I used Blue ALPS combined with Matias Clicky ALPS to complete the board. The keycaps come from a hard to find Toshiba T5200 and a black DellAT102W for the modifiers. About four black keys are not correct but it's the best I can do for now.

Since this is the all out version I put in a Teensy so I can program the board with TMK software. And it wouldn't be complete if I didn't include a matching custom cable.
I'm still waiting on my black screws for the case but these will do for now.
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What could've gone better? Well, the logo cut-outs were pretty difficult because the laser couldn't get that detailed so I had to test this a few times. I found out the hard way that the transparent plexi is much more fragile than the black one so a few adjustments should be made here. And like a said, maybe the cut-outs could be a tiny bit improved to make it even everywhere. But I noticed this isn't even perfect in expensive custom cases.

So that's it. I hoped you enjoyed this redesign!

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Muirium
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16 Feb 2014, 14:31

Whoah! What magic is this? You're a wizard, Paranoid. Spec-freaking-tacular creation. Even down to the Alps light!

Now I know I like cream Alps from my Apple Extended II, there is a serious danger I'm going to make something like this in tactile Matias. You're coaxing me on!

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scottc

16 Feb 2014, 14:39

Wow, this is absolutely stunning. I've been meaning to TKL mod my Dell AT102W and swap the switches out for clicky Matias, but never had the motivation to go through with it because I was disappointed in the really crappy keycap quality of the stock caps.

How did you get the Teensy to work? I had no idea you could do that!

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Paranoid

16 Feb 2014, 14:55

Muirium wrote:Whoah! What magic is this? You're a wizard, Paranoid. Spec-freaking-tacular creation. Even down to the Alps light!

Now I know I like cream Alps from my Apple Extended II, there is a serious danger I'm going to make something like this in tactile Matias. You're coaxing me on!
Hehe, thanks :) took me quite some time to finish this. I have cream Alps as well but haven't really typed on them for a long time to see if i actually like them.
I am willing to share my files with anyone but as I mentioned above it's not quite perfect and fool proof. I might need to adjust them a bit first.

scottc wrote:Wow, this is absolutely stunning. I've been meaning to TKL mod my Dell AT102W and swap the switches out for clicky Matias, but never had the motivation to go through with it because I was disappointed in the really crappy keycap quality of the stock caps.

How did you get the Teensy to work? I had no idea you could do that!
Thanks! I tried the TKL mod as well a while back, ended completely non-functional. I made the dumbest mistake of painting over the pcb because I wanted a naked board but as I found out afterwards there is the risk of conductivity so I guess I fried the whole thing :p About the keycap quality yeah, you need to put in some effort to obtain a nice set or several even to complete the board.
About the clicky mathias switches, I'm just comparing them to Blue alps now but they are slighty heavier to press, have a lower sound when the click occurs making it a bit noisier and they wobble slighty more. But I think they are still a fine substitute since blue alps are really hard to find and expensive if anyone sells them.

Hooking up the Teensy is really easy. Just connect the wires to the correct pins and use TMK's firmware to flash and customize the thing. You can also use Soarer's tool which also works, I haven't tried it on this board yet.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/tmk- ... t4478.html
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14618 (sorry for linking to GH ^^)

Findecanor

16 Feb 2014, 15:15

Real nice!
I think it is a bit of a shame that not more people have done this with their AT101W.

nourathar

16 Feb 2014, 15:24

wow, that is super inspiring to see !
and both of your cases look absolutely stunning !

I'm actually waiting for my batch of toshiba keycaps, because I wanted to attempt something slightly similar, using the plate of my Dell as a starting point to make a 60% board..

great !

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scottc

16 Feb 2014, 15:26

Paranoid wrote:Thanks! I tried the TKL mod as well a while back, ended completely non-functional. I made the dumbest mistake of painting over the pcb because I wanted a naked board but as I found out afterwards there is the risk of conductivity so I guess I fried the whole thing :p About the keycap quality yeah, you need to put in some effort to obtain a nice set or several even to complete the board.
About the clicky mathias switches, I'm just comparing them to Blue alps now but they are slighty heavier to press, have a lower sound when the click occurs making it a bit noisier and they wobble slighty more. But I think they are still a fine substitute since blue alps are really hard to find and expensive if anyone sells them.
Heh, I'll try not to make that mistake. :) I'll keep on the lookout for a set of nice ISO doubleshots for sure. I've never used blue ALPS before, only black in the original AT102W and whites in another board. I quite like the whites though, so I'm hoping the Matias click switches will be as good for me.
Paranoid wrote:Hooking up the Teensy is really easy. Just connect the wires to the correct pins and use TMK's firmware to flash and customize the thing. You can also use Soarer's tool which also works, I haven't tried it on this board yet.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/tmk- ... t4478.html
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14618 (sorry for linking to GH ^^)
Ah, that makes sense! I didn't realise you were just taking the PS2 cables and converting to USB, I thought it was a whole new controller. Nice, thanks for the info! :D
nourathar wrote:I'm actually waiting for my batch of toshiba keycaps, because I wanted to attempt something slightly similar, using the plate of my Dell as a starting point to make a 60% board..
Same here! I was going to start it recently but got distracted with other things. When you get it done, let us know! I'm really excited to see how it turns out. :)

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damorgue

16 Feb 2014, 15:27

Looks great. The Phantom you posted in your other thread looks great too. Too bad the carbon fiber isn't visible with the top layer though.

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Paranoid

16 Feb 2014, 16:23

scottc wrote: Heh, I'll try not to make that mistake. :) I'll keep on the lookout for a set of nice ISO doubleshots for sure. I've never used blue ALPS before, only black in the original AT102W and whites in another board. I quite like the whites though, so I'm hoping the Matias click switches will be as good for me.
Well the whites are pretty heavy as far as I can remember typing on them. Blues and Matias clicky switches are pretty light and snappy :)
Which caps are you looking for? Is it UK or Irish? I noticed in a GB of Ivan that there seems to be a difference.
nourathar wrote:wow, that is super inspiring to see !
and both of your cases look absolutely stunning !

I'm actually waiting for my batch of toshiba keycaps, because I wanted to attempt something slightly similar, using the plate of my Dell as a starting point to make a 60% board..

great !
Thanks man :) Good luck with the 60%! Are you going to recycle the PCB or wire them manually? I have to say that the plate is not that strong, you can bend it pretty easily. If the switches are well aligned and placed against something firm it might not be so noticeable though.
damorgue wrote:Looks great. The Phantom you posted in your other thread looks great too. Too bad the carbon fiber isn't visible with the top layer though.
Many thanks! The carbon fiber is more visible from a user point of view but it wasn't ment as an eye catcher in this case. I thought about having a more smoked top layer that you could see through but then you would see that ugly brownish color of the pcb as well :) Unless you completely wrap that as well of course.

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scottc

16 Feb 2014, 17:19

I like my switches to be quite heavy. My first mechanical boards were Model Ms and Fs and I used to be a bass guitar player, so I think that explains it. :D I don't know of any layout differences between UK and Irish ISO, except in the Irish keymap, you can get the Irish language accents on the vowels with alt-gr. I've never seen "Irish" caps, though, I assumed that they would just be the same as UK ones. :)

With my plan for the 60%, I was just going to take the plate from the Dell and wire it manually, but if it's not very strong then I might reconsider. My plan for my current one is to just go with TKL.

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ماء

16 Feb 2014, 17:35

Really nice v.2 looks retro
i like shapes keycaps 1.25 R4 Like spacebars shape

Spotty1125

16 Feb 2014, 19:47

ERRMAAGAD!
Love it!

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Daniel

16 Feb 2014, 20:33

Great work. I really like the looks of the wooden version!

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seebart
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16 Feb 2014, 20:39

WOW :shock: :shock:

very very impressive. The plexi is THE best looking keyboard I have seen in a long time + vintage ALPS. :o :o

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Kurk

16 Feb 2014, 23:21

Amazing!

How are the sheets of plexi held together? Are there some kind of threaded inserts in the clear acrylic layers?

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matt3o
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16 Feb 2014, 23:52

I totally need specs for the stabilizers!

great job, P

collector of junk

16 Feb 2014, 23:55

my first ever mechanical keyboard was a dell and my first attempt at modding was a dell
no where near as good as yours though
has inspired me to have another go at it now

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Elrick

17 Feb 2014, 10:09

As always when Paranoid approaches something he finishes it with such perfection, that you know it will work.

Although I wouldn't mind buying an ALPs keyboard casing from him, because it's far better quality than when it first came from the factory all those years ago.

Nice to see ALPs is still getting some love in a sea of Cherry-MX and Thorpie fanatics.

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Muirium
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17 Feb 2014, 10:44

Alps will always be close to our hearts, because like MX it's a discrete, build-friendly switch. Topre could learn a thing or two from them…
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http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_integrated_dome

Or even someone willing to evolve buckling spring…
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_buckling_spring

They tried everything. Pity Alps isn't still around in the keyboard switch business.

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Paranoid

22 Feb 2014, 18:04

Kurk wrote:Amazing!

How are the sheets of plexi held together? Are there some kind of threaded inserts in the clear acrylic layers?
The plexi is held together by M3 countersunk screws. Initially the idea was to have all plates threaded but the transparent plexi was rather stubborn so I drilled those out. So now the top and bottom black plexi sheets are threaded and the screws are tightened there. It seems to hold together pretty nicely since it's getting sandwiched :)
matt3o wrote:I totally need specs for the stabilizers!

great job, P
Thanks! What do you need from specs? Don't you own any Alps board? If you want I have a ANSI plate and some keycaps and stabs I can send your way if that makes it easier. I can also just give you some measurements of course.
collector of junk wrote:my first ever mechanical keyboard was a dell and my first attempt at modding was a dell
no where near as good as yours though
has inspired me to have another go at it now
Hehe, as you saw, my first attempt wasn't good either :p So you can do it just as well ;) just think, plan and do! Messing up isn't bad either, it's a learning experience :D
Elrick wrote:As always when Paranoid approaches something he finishes it with such perfection, that you know it will work.

Although I wouldn't mind buying an ALPs keyboard casing from him, because it's far better quality than when it first came from the factory all those years ago.

Nice to see ALPs is still getting some love in a sea of Cherry-MX and Thorpie fanatics.
Thanks Elrick! You always have a way with words of praise ;)

ninjadoc

23 Feb 2014, 05:31

Beautiful job. I really like the carbon fiber touch.

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