deskthority

You cannot compare products targeted to Germany with products targeted to China (which possibly may also be sold to G7 countries).


Das Keyboard is a brand of the company Metadot, which is based in Texas. They're manufactured in China. Keychron is an American company, and their products are ...

Hey. Is this still available?

Can you link me to the vinyl you bought?

Please don’t tell me you’re actually comparing something that was like 250$ when it was released (700$-ish now) to something like a 40$ keyboard in 2023.

Yes people still do make heavy premium keyboards—they’re custom keyboards. I’ve been waiting a year plus for a metal keyboard that’s AT layout ...

It's just that a lot of modern keyboards are being built as cheap as possible. Flimsy body, keycaps that will show signs of wear quickly, light, and somewhat prone to breaking. Lately there has been a lot of modern quality keyboards popping up. Then there is of course the custom scene, but it's ...

Drop's CTRLs are definitely built well but they're TKLs, sadly.

I know you can still get Ms. I have one.

Most "modern" keyboards I come across are built kinda like crap.

Where did you buy the Box Reds? That matters, because they may not actually be Kailh Box switches. And, before you even act as if I also have some secret pro-Kaihua agenda, please note that my Keychron C2 is fitted with Gateron G Pro Blues.

I was reading the Deskthority Wiki and now am wondering what the "Summer of Ping" is referring to.

I'm not judging anyone who uses a keyboard smaller than a full size. They are just unfit for purpose for me, because having to go into a function layer to use arrow keys or the numpad is not acceptable for my workflow. Especially the numpad, because overlayed numpads are just absolutely terrible.

I also use Emacs when I need something more advanced. I will not learn to use Vi because it hurts my soul.

No one complained about my Model M when I had to do Zoom calls, or Microsoft Teams meetings when my school was still under lockdown. And I know the microphone was picking it up.

Yeah, that's great and all until you open up a text editor like Nano. I'm sticking with the arrow keys because I don't use a crippled keyboard.

Based on their opinion on the Arabic layout Logitech MX board, I would guess the OP wants an ISO layout.

There are only a handful of Fs that can't easily have dedicated print screen keys if you want them. All of my Fs do. There's not much to consider there. How much do your Linux systems lock up? I don't use it as much as Windows, but it is usually exceedingly stable.

It is a useful thing to have ...

Another use for Print Screen everyone here isn't considering: on Linux systems the way you reboot when the computer locks up is with the SysRQ command REISUB, and SysRQ is alt+print screen.

apastuszak wrote: 14 Mar 2023, 14:12 Back in the 1990s I worked as an IT Consultant for Comcast Cable.

My condolences. Comcast has consistently ranked as one of the worst companies in America since the 90s.

Also, good lord are F122 boards rare and expensive when you do find one. That's another benefit to the Model M: they're much more common and still being made commercially.

fohat wrote: 15 Mar 2023, 14:46

daemonspudguy wrote: 15 Mar 2023, 01:35
not having arrow keys

Huh?
122-key terminal keyboards have a plethora of dedicated arrow and navigation keys, and can be mapped for more.

I was replying to Muirium

And I'm in the terminal enough times that not having arrow keys is not an option.

I don't use Windows, and just having a single print screen key is more convinient anyways. I also think that Big-ass enter plus 1 unit backspace is almost useless, and I had to use that layout for a long time because a lot of cheap keyboards have it for some reason, so the AT layout is definitely ...

Ms are scratchy _compared to Model Fs_. I've an NIB SSK, and have had many Ms of various models and vintages pass through my possession. None is as good as an F in the smoothness of travel or, of course, the sharpness of click. Fs are just so much nicer.

Compared to modern made MX switches ...

Model Ms are scratchy? What boards are you using? My viewpoints on things like F keys is slightly warped because I need F11 to get into my BIOS's boot menu, and I need a numpad because playing games like System Shock without it is super terrible for the many keypads in the game.

Same. The Model M is the wrong IBM board entirely. Its reputation is an accident of history. It was just where buckling spring happened to be when the modern layout was ultimately defined. Every other buckling spring was better, but Model M was there at the right time to take the glory.


I would ...

I tried to check Omron's website but it's a complete maze and I can't find anything on it.

How is the F122 modified?

How did you get the PCB files to order one?

And, if so, did they ever go anywhere?

"it's a keyboard"
Checks out. Is indeed a keyboard.
Seriously though, why would you name it that? Is the manufacturer trying to convince itself that it is, in fact, a keyboard?